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[jipehog]

And yet Turkey is still one of the 20 largest economies in the world and an important player in the region. Keep in mind that with EU-Russia trade drying up Turkey is uniquely positioned as transit country and economic capacities for cooperation and engagement with Central Asia.

Russia fuck up made Central Asia, which for years have been Russian domain, a free for all. Turkey is leveraging its influence among turkic people and invest heavily to be connected into Chinas belt and road. China invests heavily to supplant Russia. It seems that even Afghanistan, Pakistan and India might bridge some issues for the oil pipeline. A lot of interesting things.

As for investments money talk.. especially when world is facing precarious economic future.

[EuchreJack]

The World is a small place.  Number 20 ain't so large as far as economies go.

Being shitburger transit state might work for a time, but it's not really adding to the economic future. It's like how the Middle East is gonna have a hard reckoning once US & EU go electric.  Some Saudi Princes will probably just move, since their country will have much less to offer them. Maybe to Turkey.

[Strongpoint]

The World is a small place.  Number 20 ain't so large as far as economies go.

Being shitburger transit state might work for a time, but it's not really adding to the economic future. It's like how the Middle East is gonna have a hard reckoning once US & EU go electric.  Some Saudi Princes will probably just move, since their country will have much less to offer them. Maybe to Turkey.

Without something like the construction of many, many new nuclear power stations going for electric cars won't change much. Maybe, maybe balance will change somewhat and oil will be like 30% cheaper. It is more than enough for Saudi to live as they do now.



As for the topic, there is no Islamist country (that also doesn't have a lot of oil) that is not dirt poor. This is why I think that If Turkey is going to become Sunni Iran, it won't have oil to maintain its economy

[Magmacube_tr]

Without something like the construction of many, many new nuclear power stations going for electric cars won't change much. Maybe, maybe balance will change somewhat and oil will be like 30% cheaper. It is more than enough for Saudi to live as they do now.

As for the topic, there is no Islamist country (that also doesn't have a lot of oil) that is not dirt poor. This is why I think that If Turkey is going to become Sunni Iran, it won't have oil to maintain its economy

Exactly. We simply can't afford becoming a sharia state. That would be a one-way-ticket ticket to complete civilisation collapse. I am not exaggerating. I just know my people well.

Also, yes, the Saudi elite have been buying land from the Black Sea region for some time now. They sense what is to come I suppose.

[jipehog]

Being shitburger transit state might work for a time, but it's not really adding to the economic future. It's like how the Middle East is gonna have a hard reckoning once US & EU go electric.  Some Saudi Princes will probably just move, since their country will have much less to offer them. Maybe to Turkey.

One of the things that contributed to Germans economic competitiveness was that the cheap commodities from Russia, and I don't mean just oil and gas but there are a lot of other raw materials essential for its industry. That why Germany was ignoring Russia shitburger-ness and was bending over to keep this economic link alive up until the invasion. Because money talk.

Turkey as the bridge between Europe and Asia stands to benefit from becoming a transit station. They already hitting record high activity by working with Russia, are trying to tap into central Asia, and from there into China's belt and road. Also they are not planning to be just transit state, they are investing heavily in local industries to go up the value chain and become industrial powerhouse. From processing to production of motor vehicles, to arms to becoming a major global shipyard for EU.

As for going electric, as Strongpoint mentioned that is going to take time, meanwhile have you heard about the world super grid? Want to guess where the link between EU to China will likely go..

Edit: in the meantime there is some reckoning to US policy in the meddle east, who would have thought that countries don't like to be called shitburgers and eventually choose to team up and do business with others.

[dragdeler]

One of the things that contributed to Germans economic competitiveness was that the cheap commodities from Russia, and I don't mean just oil and gas but there are a lot of other raw materials essential for its industry. That why Germany was ignoring Russia shitburger-ness and was bending over to keep this economic link alive up until the invasion. Because money talk.

Sorry but NGL that reeks of reddit and their biases (the majority is emotionally and ideologically invested in nuclear, hence the butthurt, hence the springboard into all kinds of hot takes).

Don't per capita it


40 years ago, in 1983, germany had the strongest wages in europe, maybe not in absolute numbers, but adjusted for cost of living I really doubt pounds and francs took you as far as marks. Then they acquired their low salary sector through unification... What had been the perfect semi-permeable membrane crumbled (ikea is one of the big and famous companies that produced in east germany and sold in west germany) their overall economy adjusted downwards. Then in 2005 they had a giant reform of laborlaws, which turned germany into the biggest minimum wage sector among it's neighbours, and that is the correct reason to be mad at them, it makes them so competitive that sooner or later the standard of living of the whole EU will be threatened to be lowered.

[scriver]

As long as we can continue to blame Germany

[dragdeler]

Haha, that's handy they play the scapegoat role so well, (the others merely adapted it they were born in it).

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

But see nobody would blame the NL for disproportionally contributing to their economy the argument is kinda absurd anyway when corporations choose their seats freely... but for Malta I'm halfway tempted to whip it out myself

[jipehog]

Don't per capita it

And?

40 years ago, in 1983, germany had the strongest wages in europe, maybe not in absolute numbers, but adjusted for cost of living I really doubt pounds and francs took you as far as marks. Then they acquired their low salary sector through unification... What had been the perfect semi-permeable membrane crumbled (ikea is one of the big and famous companies that produced in east germany and sold in west germany) their overall economy adjusted downwards. Then in 2005 they had a giant reform of laborlaws, which turned germany into the biggest minimum wage sector among it's neighbours, and that is the correct reason to be mad at them, it makes them so competitive that sooner or later the standard of living of the whole EU will be threatened to be lowered.

Relevance? Does any of that suppose to contradict what I said?

It seem like you kneejerking to something. I'll wait for your explantion but in the mean time here is quick reference
Germany's economic success is based largely on inflows of cheap energy.

[EuchreJack]

...and what does this have to do with Turkey?

[jipehog]

It shows how economic interest trump detached ideologic hot takes (and how Turkey is uniquely position in Europe to to benefit from the new situation) Same goes for Saudi example where USA is running after even a bigger shitburger country.

[Il Palazzo]

...and what does this have to do with Turkey?

Have you ever been to Germany?
Because the Turks have.

Such joke. Much fun.

[dragdeler]

Spoiler: spoilered because deraily (click to show/hide)

and? (im not gonna use the calculator twice if you cant once, following numbers from memory, in any case they have to be measured against economical output (and how much of that is export) and also how many % russia represents in the import mix of each country, I only listed bigger countries because disproportionate population sizes (like china, netherlands and malta) will quickly make the number bounce, stopped at france because that is the largest that is still but barely in the ballpark anymore) poland 45 bananas, germany 36 potatoes, uk 32 carrots, italy 32 apples, france 15 grapes

Remember how they blamed Biden for gas prices... That is just the most recent example to memory how usually any sort of mildly progressive (or just progressive in name) governement will deal with a barrage of desinformation from mostly conservatively owned legacy media, sounds familiar right?

In germany the greens have the biggest position they had in the governing coalition to date, and all there has been a noticeable increase in concerntrolling... Whatever you read chances are good they are citing from Bertelsman Springer or Mohn, who share among them like over 90% of print media shares. Anglosaxon media also usually values short term economic interest of their respective nations over stability on the continent, piss off with shale gas. Don't get me wrong the current governement is bland AF and simply slow, but most of the criticism in the media comes from a rightwing perspective, despite the governement mostly just being leftwing in name (familiar right?!).


Newsflash the whole west is overreliant on importing cheap energy, and I sincerely doubt the imports are that disproportional to their population/economical output (they export a lot, the problem mentionned earlier, what this article calls a businessmodel), not to mention that the pipelines go through there so it also just merely serves as a crossroad, and as said earlier, it's businesses that do the money stuff, not governements. [sarcasm]Can't imagine what the articles would be like if "germany" under the reign of the greens was like ey we are going to produce less energy in order to hit our climate goals, just deal with your own shit.[/sarcasm]

https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1378678/umfrage/verteilung-ausgewaehlter-energietraeger-an-der-nettostromerzeugung-in-deutschland/

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/even-crisis-germany-extends-power-exports-neighbours-2023-01-05/

[Magmacube_tr]

...and what does this have to do with Turkey?

Have you ever been to Germany?
Because the Turks have.

Such joke. Much fun.

Yeah, yeah... I hope you guys keep them, Almancılık is a disease.

[jipehog]

a disease.

Again, you should be more careful with your phrasings. Imagine if someone called you that.. you can't turn PC only when its convenient.