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Disastrophi

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Way to prevent nobles in steam version?
« on: April 26, 2023, 10:44:09 pm »

Is there any mod, cheat, hack or settings to keep nobles beyond the mayor from appearing?

I've played with difficulty settings but then suddenly a queen and two barons appeared via inheriting titles or something. I didn't even know that could happen w/o being offered a barony, which I have always turned down so far. I just don't want to bother with nobles yet.
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BlueTrillium

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Re: Way to prevent nobles in steam version?
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2023, 11:07:29 am »

If you want the mayor, you can limit your population cap to 50-ish dwarves (or anything below 140 really, but the lower you keep it, the easier it will be for the other part, so I recommend just setting to 50).

Baron/Count/Duke can show up as low as 20-pop unfortunately, but you can slow/stop their appointment by not producing much wealth (which... will work for a while but eventually you'll probably break that amount anyway). After that, when the trade liaison from your civ comes and offers you a barony, you can keep declining the offer so that you can avoid getting a baron/count/duke from there. Note, that if you never get at least a baron, the trade caravans from your civ will never get wagons, so the caravans will stay just packbeasts and relatively small. And if you DO get a baron, I don't think you can decline the promotion to count/duke after that, so it's kinda all-or-nothing there.

As for Queen/barons just appearing due to inheriting titles... that's not something you can directly avoid, because it's events outside of your control that are causing that. It means that outside of your fort, some war or other event killed your civ's current queen/nobles/etc or destroyed their homes, so they came to you. The only way you can try to 'avoid' this is at embark, try to pick the largest dwarf civ to join and the one with the most locations/sites. Then the civ's current queen/nobles are (a) less likely to get killed by war/etc because they're pretty dominant already, and (b) if they DO still get killed somehow, there's lots of other places for them to go to, so it's less likely they'll come join you. Not impossible, but a lot less likely.

This stuff is, at least, my experience. ^_^ I did hold out without a baron for awhile by declining the appointment, but eventually I gave in, lol. I wanted those wagons! One thing you can do to reduce the annoyance of the baron/count/duke is to survey your dwarves beforehand and pick someone who likes items that you don't mind producing constantly (and not being able to sell). My current baron for instance likes gauntlets. So I make them whenever demanded (fulfills the mandate), then melt down all the non-masterpieces (melting doesn't bother the baron, only selling does). Masterpieces go into a stockpile for the military. I do have more gauntlets than I need, really, but it's not too bad so far.

Also note that mayors make demands too. And since those are elected it's harder to control which dwarf it ends up being. But try to keep social skills high on a dwarf with demands you won't mind fulfilling! xD
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Re: Way to prevent nobles in steam version?
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2023, 10:13:34 am »

This is great information, I'm still learning and this sheds a lot of  light. I was picking civs by the names I liked.  ::)

I will be putting these tips in my next embark. Hopefully there will be a mod or a new game setting somewhere to give some options regarding nobles, if that's possible to do. If I were smart enough to write mods, I'd do it lol.

Thank you thank you thank you for sharing this info!
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Re: Way to prevent nobles in steam version?
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2023, 04:41:54 pm »

You're very welcome!
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Re: Way to prevent nobles in steam version?
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2023, 04:35:46 am »

You can avoid having a noble appointed by refusing the offer the dwarf caravan liason offers as well. However you'll lose out on being able to make requests for what the caravan brings. There are probably other opportunity losses I'm not remembering offhand as well.
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Re: Way to prevent nobles in steam version?
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2023, 10:26:03 am »

Partially incorrect. Yes you can avoid baron/count/duke by refusing the offer from the caravan liaison (I think I mentioned that as well, but never hurts to emphasize it).

However refusing the offer does NOT stop you from being able to make caravan requests for next year, in my experience. Pretty sure only getting the monarch and becoming the capitol does that (which honestly is really annoying heh). Instead, refusing the offer of barony simply prevents you from getting wagons as part of the caravan (so they stay with just pack animals). This means the caravan has a lower weight limit and will bring fewer things overall, but you can still make requests and you will still *get* caravans (assuming no bug or other catastrophic event happens).
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Re: Way to prevent nobles in steam version?
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2023, 03:40:25 pm »

You can always fix stuff with lava.
Or just lock in the newly appointed noble.
Repeat till they get the gist.
I had a baron and king, but after one megabrawl I only got a mayor left. Which is pretty sad actually because I don't get wagons and noone gets appointed to a baron even though I have 200 dwarves.
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Re: Way to prevent nobles in steam version?
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2023, 05:49:49 pm »

I thought there was a requirement at some point to make a certain amount of offerings (among other things) before the King/Queen would come to your fort.  But I can confirm this is not the case for the premium version.  I scuttled 2 dwarven caravans, made no offerings ever, and still got the King/Queen and their warrior entourage.  It seems like once you have accepted a Barron, it is inevitable.
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Re: Way to prevent nobles in steam version?
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2023, 06:58:59 pm »

Is there any mod, cheat, hack or settings to keep nobles beyond the mayor from appearing?

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 I just don't want to bother with nobles yet.

Is your issue with nobles because of their mandates?  If so, are you willing to install DFHack?

This DFHack command will run daily, purging any newly-issued mandates.

Code: [Select]
repeat -name remove-mandates -time 1 -timeUnits days -command [ lua "world.mandates:resize(0)" ]

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