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[jipehog]

Clearly here, though, the 'AI'[1] is not a tool of inherent danger. Or indeed a tool that decides to run amok outwith human control. And the intent lies with the human, who decided they could feign one crime in order to comit another.

I disagree. I think that AI is next and greatest industrial revolution, with all the negative nitty gritty implications. That why I bring these headlines to make people think about the potential disrupting effect AI in every aspect of life beyond the cool chat nonsense. (btw I hope there are no computer science students reading this because ChatGPT just made your curriculum a lot more outdated)

In this case, my take is at how AI make such acts more accessible and common place and requires us to answer how can we regulate these whether we are talking on personal use or on the international stage. I am far more concerned about the autonomous use of AI, eventually there would be an arm race here between hackers and security experts (blackICE anyone?).

p.s. Speaking of old decades old stuff, I wouldn't really on fiction particularly Hollywood type for wisdom, because usually in every such story no matter how super duper whatever external threat we always find way to overcome because of our inherent and their --insert moral of story--, that just good story but BS.

[Starver]

(btw I hope there are no computer science students reading this because ChatGPT just made your curriculum a lot more outdated)

I ought to dig out my CS (or whatever it was called) teaching materials. Some bits are doubtless timeless (but probably skipped over as "You don't need to know how to do this, for most modern computing work, even degree-level jobs". (Working with both Ones- and Twos-Complement, anyone?)


I think, jipehog, we might be talking cross purposes. I think there's big future problems possible with AI. actual AI, beyond anythng we're actually seeing now, which we need to (but probably won't, for reasons I have given) anticipate and decide whether we're going to embrace or emasculate such things, beforehand.

But right now it'd be like fearing the terrible future (mis)uses of personal jetpacks and thus banning rollerskates... (Then instead of PJPs, which turn out to be physically impractical, matter-transportation becomes the brave (or foolhardy) new future of travel, and all our forebodings turn out to be misaimed and insufficient to exert the required degree of control.)

[jipehog]

I think, jipehog, we might be talking cross purposes. I think there's big future problems possible with AI.

I blame it on all the topic changes and ballooning of multiple AI threads. This my all purpose AI thread (can't care less about the whimsical title ), I was surprised that my question about ASI wasn't understood as rhetorical to indicate that obviously the examples talk about tools as this something we agreed upon in the past.

actual AI, beyond anythng we're actually seeing now, which we need to (but probably won't, for reasons I have given) anticipate and decide whether we're going to embrace or emasculate such things, beforehand.

Here we disagree. (A) I think there is huge range of issues that would be affected by AI, of which the doomsday scenario of ASI taking over the world is the most extreme and luckily far removed. (B) We should start thinking about AI safety and alignment now, precisely because we probably won't be able to anticipate the singularity event, at which point it would be too late.

Also to keep things interesting and put some fire under the American butts. Elon Musk just announced his TruthGPT as an alternative to 'politically correct' OpenAI's (the alignment problem mentioned before)
https://www.foxnews.com/media/elon-musk-develop-truthgpt-warns-civilizational-destruction-ai

Let's namedrop the doomsday scenario specifically... [..] It's not just going to hog up machine time in factories to build itself an army while everybody shrugs their shoulders, I mean yeah reality has this tendency to outrun satire [..]

I agree on both accounts. Reality has such tendency and AI won't be doing that because we would be doing that for it.  Our world becomes much more automated and more reliant on autonomous system from autonomous cars, to autonomous robots in search/rescue and military, to warehouse operations and construction, ..., and even for companionship.

Just in case, few quick google examples of what is already possible:
6 warehouse robots that are reshaping the industry
You Won't Believe What This Super Robot Army Can Do!
Japan Releases Fully Performing Female Robots


Otherwise, assuming the premise of artificial super intelligence(ASI) doomsday scenario, i believe that starting a conventional war would be one of the least effective and creative solution an ASI would be able to come up with.

[jipehog]

As long as the A.I. will lack actual "I" it will not be a problem.

Spoiler: it will just continue to amaze us with high quality art (click to show/hide)

Speaking of high quality art, here some progress that have been made with Midjourney AI in the past year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twKgWGmsBLY

[King Zultan]

Japan Releases Fully Performing Female Robots

Of course Japan would be the one to build the sexbot.

[jipehog]

India: AI journalism sparks concern
https://www.dw.com/en/india-ai-journalism-sparks-concern/a-65395188

[jipehog]

Researchers around the world are training AI to re-create images seen by humans using only their brain waves. Experts say the technology is still in its infancy, but it heralds a new brain-analysis industry.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/brain-waves-ai-can-sketch-picturing-rcna76096

This the same research from few years back only with better AI training and stable diffusion for interpterion. It has resulted in few incredibly accurate images. Meanwhile there is also progress on various brain implants that allow direct interface with computers.

[King Zultan]

This sounds like the start of one of those machines that let's you watch and record your dreams.

[Starver]

Hah, I'd drive such a machine mad! Long since given up trying to record details of my dreams, e.g. in the Dream thread, despite being convinced that I've probably got the basis of the next hit Netflix[1] screenplay in my rather cinematic nocturnal imaginings.

(Last night[2] there was... well, hard to explain, but there was a sort of museum in a nuclear bunker (a stylistic concrete cylinder sunk deep into the ground, refit with brutalist concrete stairways by which visitors descended), but it was peaceful, until ¿aliens? who had arrived seemed suddenly not to like me so I fled out into the surrounding city and hid, at which point my dream POV was switching around from various of these arrivals, and their agents, in trying to follow me (quite a few encounters and escapes), especially once 'I' had actually managed to fully elude them, and there was much searching because 'they' didn't know that *I* had hidden in some catacombes (the 'viewer' knows this, seeing 'me' slip away, though not what I did from there on) though occasionally one of 'them' did peer into the entrances, before then checking various restaurants/etc. And there's a lot of detail missed out there, even of the small amount I still remember, but I'd say it's an action-adventure intrigue of a plot, complete with contrary motivations and revelations galore. The location/set/FX budgets would be not insignificant, though.)

[1] Or possibly an even more niche place, but mostly insofar as surrealism.

[2] Well, actually all this was in the snooze between being woken by the early morning daylight and my actual alarm going, an hour or so later.

[jipehog]

This sounds like the start of one of those machines that let's you watch and record your dreams.

Yeah, although what if Freud was right and you dreaming up some NSFW taboo stuff with your mom

Also could be the next "kinect"(or whatever the hipped popular non keyboard/mouse interface is), I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft/Sony and meta are already funding/working on this. If it works all you need is to put a band on your head and you'd be able to control your media center with thought. This already works to an extent with implants for people with paralyzed or missing limbs.

The future sounds amazing, but I would also note the possibility that an AI would find a way to crack what makes us tick.

[jipehog]

Here is another application of such tech as part of China's experimental AI education program
https://www.reddit.com/r/adhdmeme/comments/130376o/i_present_to_you_the_ultimate_adhd_nightmare/

[King Zultan]

This sounds like the start of one of those machines that let's you watch and record your dreams.

Yeah, although what if Freud was right and you dreaming up some NSFW taboo stuff with your mom

Oh god I hope not.

[Rolan7]

Hah, I'd drive such a machine mad! Long since given up trying to record details of my dreams, e.g. in the Dream thread, despite being convinced that I've probably got the basis of the next hit Netflix[1] screenplay in my rather cinematic nocturnal imaginings.

Yeah I wonder if even *I* could handle mine in totality.  There's so much body horror, but it rarely bothers me in the dreams.  It's just weird.  Then I wake up and begin to realize how weird it is and maybe write it down...  Then I wait an hour or two longer until I fully realize "Oh, no, I absolutely can't share this, no one would understand and it's even bothering me".  Or "Mmm this is mostly tame enough if I leave certain bits out" and I share that.  yeah my Dream Thread posts are the *redacted* versions of the *tame* stuff.

I'm not sure what it'd do to me to view that stuff while fully awake and socialized.  Seems like it'd cause some dissociation or something.  But I try to listen to my subconscious and glean insight from it!  It's my friend!

[jipehog]

As long as your dreams don't contain any electric sheep it is safe to say you have the same weird ass dreams as the rest of humanity 

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Meanwhile: Bill Gates says A.I. chatbots will teach kids to read within 18 months: You’ll be ‘stunned by how it helps’

Also if you are teacher don't worry AI will not replace you, a person using AI will.

[King Zultan]

Bill Gates says A.I. chatbots will teach kids to read within 18 months: You’ll be ‘stunned by how it helps’

That is a click bait line if I ever saw one.