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Reality, The Universe and the World. Which will save us from AI?

Reality
- 15 (68.2%)
Universe
- 4 (18.2%)
The World
- 3 (13.6%)

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Author Topic: What will save us from AI? Reality, the Universe or The World $ Place your bet.  (Read 60030 times)

Starver

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Inb4 Tolkein estate publishes their own Tolkein AI though
A.I.wen, probably. (Or Á.I.wyn.)
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SmAIgol. After centuries of darkness it will call itself Googlem
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That makes sense. Great Britain wants AI to have a British accent, instead of an American one.

Not really joking: The United Kingdom took great pains to ensure that the rest of the world used the British Legal system instead of the American one.
The world, except for the UK, USA, Canada, and Australia, by and large follows either civil law or Islamic law
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Why is Louisiana listed as having a different law system to the rest of the US, same goes for Quebec having a different one from the rest of Canada.

Inb4 Tolkein estate publishes their own Tolkein AI though
One AI to rule them all!
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Why is Louisiana listed as having a different law system to the rest of the US, same goes for Quebec having a different one from the rest of Canada.
Napoleonic system, 'cuz French..? I could imagine Quebec holding out with that, rather expected that Federal laws in the US (and the time since the transfer of control) would have nudged LA out of that sphere. But (without accurately hue-checking), both look to be hybrid Civil (Napoleonic type) Law and Common Law, which could reflect the state/province + nation overlapping governances.

i.e., if there were any places in either of the top two non-Mexican sub-territories of North America (with a "u" in their name) that I'd consider to retain even partial aspects of old-Boney's legal tradition, them's where they'd be!
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Things with AI are almost at the point where they can actually help people make bioweapons.
Like not now, and *squints* probably not GPT 5 (which should come out in the next month or two), but given the complete lack of AI company ability to *stop* people from using their AI for whatever they want if they write a good enough jailbreak (and some companies just YOLOing and releasing their AI open source) this is pretty spooky stuff.
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Scaffolded + finetuned LLMs are also getting *quite* good at science. And by science I don't just mean tests, I mean *actual* science.
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The latest generation of AI came out this week (Claude 3.7, GPT 4.5), and like clockwork it is yet again a step up.
Progress over the last year has been immense, and AI is on track (according to pretty much everyone working in the industry) just to keep getting way better.
I know I'm by far the most bullish of the people posting in this thread, so I have some questions for the other people here.

What do you think of AI progress over the last year? Did it advance more then you thought it would (or do you think the advances are nothing but hype)?
Do you think that AI progress will continue at this pace in 2025, or do you think that its going to plateau/massively slow down about now?
Do you think that the AI bubble is going to pop in 2025?
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Look, it is impressive that AI has come up with a not-in-a-training-data hypothesis identical to one produced by scientists, but it is not SOLVING THE MYSTERY. A hypothesis is literally a good educated guess based on available data. Something that AI are quite good at.

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What do you think of AI progress over the last year? Did it advance more then you thought it would (or do you think the advances are nothing but hype)?
Image generation appears to be stalling, I don't see much progress between late 2023 and early 2025.

Video generation is an offshoot of image generation and so far it isn't close to produce coherent multiobject animation. But photorealistic, simple one-object+one-action-background videos went further than I expected.

Music generation progressed more than I expected

Text generation. Well, yes, I am impressed. I expected that it would hit the ceiling already with only minor progress. Apparently, it didn't. But still, it is not AGI as many claim.

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Do you think that AI progress will continue at this pace in 2025, or do you think that its going to plateau/massively slow down about now?
There is a lot of money poured in. And this amount is increasing. Also, it may become something like a new Space Race. It will continue to improve at this pace or even faster.

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Do you think that the AI bubble is going to pop in 2025?
I think AI bubble will pop when some unrelated economic problem hits and people suddenly remember that the ability to generate cute anime girls is actually not that important
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King Zultan

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I think the plateau is coming not sure when but it seems like it'll be somewhat soon and with that will be when the bubble bursts.
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Durably reducing conspiracy beliefs through dialogues with AI LLM chatbot
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reduced their beliefs in conspiracies for months
Reinforcing my belief that we don't need to be saved from AI LLMs, but from the way assholes the psychopaths in charge use the AI LLMs.
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A question for you to think about before you open the spoiler below. What do you think would happen to the personality (You are all smart lads and know what I mean, don't go "AI don't have personalities") of an AI trained to write unsecure code on purpose? Nothing? Something? Would they become a cringy and edgy fedora lad?
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Look, it is impressive that AI has come up with a not-in-a-training-data hypothesis identical to one produced by scientists, but it is not SOLVING THE MYSTERY. A hypothesis is literally a good educated guess based on available data. Something that AI are quite good at.
Making a good hypothesis is a pretty key part of being a scientist. Obviously its not the only part, but finding the proper answer to the question is just as big a deal as actually formalizing and proving it.
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Its pretty interesting to me that AI has had huge advances, yet it hasn't really become any easier to actually use in that time.

If you want to use AI for something, you basically have to know how to use it for proper prompting and so that you can filter out the hallucinations, and you also want to know the topic so you also know the proper language to prompt it and so that you can filter out the hallucinations again.

So using it for actual science? Yeah, you gotta be a scientist that knows how to do that field. It still very clearly isn't capable of doing all the stuff actual scientists can do and can't actually replace them. Gotta wait a few years for that.
AI is still a *very* useful tool for scientists though (notably deep research and the new focused AI scientists), which is more then you could say this time last year.
Image generation appears to be stalling, I don't see much progress between late 2023 and early 2025.
Ehh. Image generation has improved quite substantially, but its not the type of thing that's really visible to the end user.
Its smarter, understands more topics (eg. it might have previously not understood some characters or terms and now understands them), follows your prompt better, has better resolution, is more consistent, is faster, can do text, ect.
So something that it previously would be able to do 10/100 gens and would require editing afterwards to fix some details might now be done 100/100 gens.
From someone looking at it from the outside its all the same since you get 90 percentile stuff that's almost certainly already edited, but doing it you can feel the difference.

The second part to it is aesthetically you are largely correct. In ~2023 it did reach the point where you can't point to future gens and go "This is unambiguously better, wow!", but that's less a technology issue and more of a human issue. Can you unambiguously do aesthetically better then the second picture? IMHO that's a clear no, its just about reached the peak.

If you are going for photorealistic its a bit different, but IMHO again, you can't unambiguously get better then those sora portrait pictures. That doesn't mean you can't massively improve from there, it just means that improvements are going to be hard or even impossible to notice if you aren't the one using the tech.
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Man that cookie example is pretty funnily bad. If AI is getting better or not, I don't know, but for this comparison using the overly common AI slop artstyle for your "AI art is better now" picture is really not a compelling argument. Just like, side to side visually, okay, you could say the second one looks more impressive in some ways, but in the context of that prompt and how that's seemingly how all AI art looks these days it really seems like AI art might be getting worse? Like the first one actually fits the prompt a lot better.

Edit: This isn't necessarily me trying to make an argument that AI actually is getting worse, I've seen AI art that's better and not in the slop style, so it must be at least possible to avoid it. It's just really funny that whoever made this infographic is so out of touch that they thought this comparison made their point instead of showing the opposite of what they are saying.
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Robsoie

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How is the cookie on the right better ?
The 2 images are using 2 completely different art style with the left looking like a classic painting with well imitated brush "texture" and the right looking like your average AI melting picture ?
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Strongpoint

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Ugm? I fail to see any improvement between those two cookies. What changed apart the art style?

What I want from image generation is better coherency when drawing something complex with objects interacting with each other. I want a generalist, not fine-tuned, not LORA-assisted, model that will draw "a blond elf fencing against a large green orc." when requested.


And I am not impressed with the progress in the ability to do so. And this is like the bare minimum for believing "- Hey, in a few years, you will be able to prompt a plot of a movie and get a personal one generated for you!" type of hype I see almost daily
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There's one thing better about the right-hand one. It's a choc-chip cookie with a decent amount of choc-chips!

(More seriously, v2 could have produced several (hundreds of!) versions and v3 could have produced several (hundreds!) versions, as it's often the case anyway, and the person making the point decided to use the "worst" of one set and the "best" of the other. Subjectively, of course, as proven by our objections to the presented assessment. I also agree: the first is a perfectly cromulant output to the input. Though I don't claim artistic authority either.)
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King Zultan

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That cookie thing isn't that great, I mean that prompt wants an oil painting and the second one is obviously not an oil painting.
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