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[Grim Portent]

Wagner apparently isn't just gonna go away.
https://me.pcmag.com/en/security/17887/wagner-hackers-say-they-shut-down-russian-satellite-internet-provider

Hmm, so it could be actual Wagner, a splinter group of dissaffected members of Wagner, a Russian dissident group that wants to trade on Wagner's reputation, or a false flag by other parties seeking to exploit the societal fractures caused by Wagner's aborted coup? That's a pretty broad range of possible people.

[EuchreJack]

Ain't it always 

[hedgerow]

10.3 million views.

Norsk Pipeline.

Here's a funny face: 

Ooh!

[jipehog]

Norsk ?

[Lord Shonus]

Seeing some claims that Prigozhin is becoming Unpersoned by Russian state media.

[King Zultan]

I wonder when Prigozhin will unperson himself twice in the back of the head in a locked room with no gun.

[jipehog]

Seeing some claims that Prigozhin is becoming Unpersoned by Russian state media.

Russian state media has been recruited to preform the burning at the stake. But keep in mind that he is still alive.. the reason for it is likely because he wasn't acting alone, there are influential people behind him, same reason the outcast strelkov can talk so freely.

[Starver]

Batch of British planes made available to Ukraine. Some repairs needed.

_{(not taken in bad taste, I hope)}

[martinuzz]

Russia has already stolen 700 thousand Ukrainian children from the occupied territories.

This is not a guesstimate, this is the number given by Russia itself, boasting proudly that they 'rescued' 700000 children from the conflict zone.

According to Russia, the program to bring Ukrainian children to Russia is only to protect orphans and abandoned children.
Ukraine says it is illegal deportation.
According to the USA, thousands of children were taken from their homes with force.


That's gonna be a helluva job after the war, finding back all those children. I guess the only way is mandatory genetic testing for all Russian children and parents, to see if they match, and if not, find out if they still have familiy in Ukraine and bring them back.

EDIT: The ICC is also investigating a Russian website that offers 300000 Ukranian children for adoption. The ICC says this is a war crime.

[Strongpoint]

That's gonna be a helluva job after the war, finding back all those children. I guess the only way is mandatory genetic testing for all Russian children and parents, to see if they match, and if not, find out if they still have familiy in Ukraine and bring them back.

Not happening. If Russia will be stable enough for something like this - it won't agree to do it. If not - no one will do it in the midst of civil wars and separatist movements.

Demographically, Russia has already won this war with a huge score. It lost few 100K of men of various ages, most of which were capable of producing little to no GDP (or were outright antisocial elements) and got a huge amount of children to brainwash to mitigate its low birthrates

And I don't believe that there will be any justice whatsoever. Russia got away with every crime it did in its history, I can't see why this time will be different.

[EuchreJack]

While the loss to Russia of its war material is considerable, I don't think Ukraine is gonna get all their kids back.

[Eric Blank]

Yeah, the only way to get any of those kids back, or any civilians taken prisoner, is to invade Russia and install a government capable of doing so.

[jipehog]

Demographically, Russia has already won this war with a huge score. It lost few 100K of men of various ages, most of which were capable of producing little to no GDP (or were outright antisocial elements) and got a huge amount of children to brainwash to mitigate its low birthrates

If so then it would be a huge strategic win, but I am not sure that it is. Certainly Russia is facing a population-decline, exacerbated by many young men dying on the front lines (weighted toward poorer minorities) and brain drain with many educated and well off choosing to emigrate. However, I doubt that Ukrainian kids will be sufficient to reverse that trend and I have misgiving about attempting at brainwashing not coming to bite you in the ass. We are talking about adopted kids with access to internet, many of whom are likely young adults, and or aren't likely to feel accepted in Russian society.

[Il Palazzo]

There's this assumption going on here that when the Russians say <a number> with regard to the children, all of those were stolen from their parents at gunpoint. As if there was no pro-Russian sentiment in the occupied territories.
What proportion of those children are of parents who saw Russian occupation as the return to the fold, welcomed it, fought for it in the militias, and were killed by Ukrainians? Or who thought their kids would be safer or just better off deep in Mother Russia rather than growing up 20 km from the front line in a region with devastated economy, so sent them willingly as part of one relocation program or another? 10%? 50? 90?
Because those aren't growing up to want Ukrainian passports, internet access or not.

[MaxTheFox]

There are rumors that it was a faction of Russian oligarchs that got Prigozhin to try a coup attempt, and that he himself is just a pawn and that is why he was left alive. Dunno if true or not.

And yeah, "brainwashing" will probably backfire. They are failing to brainwash native Russian youth, a lot of teens and 20-ish people are against the war (because they spend time on Western internet), why would Ukrainian children be any easier to brainwash? It's mostly older people and elderly who get z-ombified.