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Author Topic: Emotional Responses to War in Ukraine - Trollbait 2.0  (Read 209272 times)

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Re: Emotional Responses to War in Ukraine - Trollbait 2.0
« Reply #765 on: June 22, 2023, 07:30:39 am »

Shakespeare is the 1580's version of Roland Emmerich or the guys who made Scary Movie. He happened to be a genius, but his plays were intended as cheap entertainment for the masses. His main competitor was animals being tortured for the amusement of the crowd!
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« Reply #766 on: June 22, 2023, 08:26:06 am »

MaxTheFox, KittyTac we found what you think about classical Russian literature, what do you think about classical Russian music, which, unlike the literature, did have some impact on the world mass culture?

(not that I think that guys like Tchaikovsky wrote Russian music, they wrote European music with some, very minor, Russian influences here and there)
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« Reply #767 on: June 22, 2023, 08:39:16 am »

MaxTheFox, KittyTac we found what you think about classical Russian literature, what do you think about classical Russian music, which, unlike the literature, did have some impact on the world mass culture?

(not that I think that guys like Tchaikovsky wrote Russian music, they wrote European music with some, very minor, Russian influences here and there)
I don't hate it, I think it's beautiful and I wouldn't want to destroy any of it, a copy or in whole. Helps that I wasn't severely traumatized with it thanks to my asshole father, unlike literature.
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« Reply #768 on: June 23, 2023, 01:19:57 am »

In an interview, a Ukrainian soldier expressed regret over wounding Russian soldiers with his mortar strike. He said killing them would have been better.

I disagree. A dead Russian won't be missed by Russia. A crippled quadriplegic will need 24/7 care for the rest of their lives, to feed them and wipe their arse, becoming a huge drain on Russian economy and workforce.

Strategically, in a long term conflict with a country that can replace losses by virtue of large population, it is better to maim than to kill.
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« Reply #769 on: June 23, 2023, 04:52:37 am »

Prigozhin released yet another video monologue. Tl:dr - Ukraine didn't bomb Donbas only exchanged fire with Russian forces, Ukraine didn't want to attack Russia, Donbas was robbed by FSB, Ministry of Defense, and people from Putin's administration (including names!), and how Putin was deceived by all those people

I don't know what kind of game this scum plays but it is entertaining

Vodeo here - https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672177488535977984
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« Reply #770 on: June 23, 2023, 08:51:19 am »

Like I know people say they're playing "fractures" to mislead the west but that's basically anti-putin anti-war line if I understand it correctly?
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« Reply #771 on: June 23, 2023, 09:00:36 am »

Like I know people say they're playing "fractures" to mislead the west but that's basically anti-putin anti-war line if I understand it correctly?

Well, Prigozhin does play an old Russian game of "good Tsar deceived by bad boyars) shifting any blame away from Putin but he is going against a lot of Russian propaganda and directly attacks quite powerful men like Shoigu and Surkov.

I don't understand what is happening
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« Reply #772 on: June 23, 2023, 10:33:12 am »

Sounds like he's trying to skip to the "weasel out of being blamed for this mess" stage a bit early.
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« Reply #773 on: June 23, 2023, 11:00:11 am »

MaxTheFox, KittyTac we found what you think about classical Russian literature, what do you think about classical Russian music, which, unlike the literature, did have some impact on the world mass culture?

(not that I think that guys like Tchaikovsky wrote Russian music, they wrote European music with some, very minor, Russian influences here and there)
It's not bad but I'm just not a fan of the classics, like in general. Gimme EDM or metal or whatever.
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« Reply #774 on: June 23, 2023, 11:03:37 am »

Sounds like he's trying to skip to the "weasel out of being blamed for this mess" stage a bit early.
Also sounds to me like the Wagner-version of our German stab-in-the-back myth, where the after WW1 people would say that the German army was never defeated in the field, but was "betrayed by certain citizens on the home front—especially Jews, revolutionary socialists who fomented strikes and labor unrest,[1] and other republican politicians". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_myth

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« Reply #775 on: June 23, 2023, 11:41:46 am »

In an interview, a Ukrainian soldier expressed regret over wounding Russian soldiers with his mortar strike. He said killing them would have been better.

I disagree. A dead Russian won't be missed by Russia. A crippled quadriplegic will need 24/7 care for the rest of their lives, to feed them and wipe their arse, becoming a huge drain on Russian economy and workforce.

Strategically, in a long term conflict with a country that can replace losses by virtue of large population, it is better to maim than to kill.
You seriously believe Russia is going to spend one red rubble on their wounded veterans?!
Russia is gonna let 'em die in the gutter.

Look at how the US treated it's veterans after the Vietnam War, and realize that the US is at least somewhat responsive to their people with a fairly comprehensive independently-owned media.

Good source for discontent though.

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« Reply #776 on: June 23, 2023, 11:44:20 am »

Like I know people say they're playing "fractures" to mislead the west but that's basically anti-putin anti-war line if I understand it correctly?
Nah.
"Ukraine didn't want to attack Russia" is different from
"Russia attacked Ukraine".

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« Reply #777 on: June 23, 2023, 01:49:56 pm »

Prigozhin (well, or GOOD audio deepfake) said that the Russian Armed Forces launched a missile attack on Wagner's camp

*grabs a big bucket of popcorn*
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« Reply #778 on: June 23, 2023, 02:04:21 pm »

And Girkin-Strelkov posted on his telegram channel that an attempt of coup has started

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« Reply #779 on: June 23, 2023, 02:39:24 pm »

Anything on this in English? There's just a small mention on Finnish media about it, something like Prigoži saying: "There's 25.000 of us and we'll go see why there's chaos in Russia. Come join us."
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