Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[Strongpoint]

2 helicopters and 2 jet fighters were shot down by something in Russia today. I am so curious about what the hell we used to shoot them down across the border...

Most likely, we risked and brought a long-range SAM really close to the border. Another possibility is a saboteur group with MANPADs

[Lord Shonus]

Reports I'm seeing suggest that it was Russia that shot down the two Russian jets and three Russian helicopters, quite possibly due to panic from the Storm Shadow and MALD deliveries. Which would make this the most rapid return on investment of any weapon delivery.

[martinuzz]

Geesh, does the 'only move forward' doctrine now also apply to Russian airplanes? Fly back towards Russia and you will be shot!

[Strongpoint]

While we now that Ukraine never engages targets in Russia. It is war between Bryansk People Republic and Belgorod People Republic (for the right to be the only one BPR), I doubt that even Russian can friendly-fire five aircrafts

[jipehog]

Great news. We had some quality targets recently. Last week attacks on Russian oil facilities and rail infrastructure, with symbolic drone landing on top of Russia's one of the most secure place, the Kremlin. With sad victory day, then reversal of fortunes on the line in Bakhmut with much friendly fire by Prigozin over Russian air waves (how long until he will be thrown out of window?!) With much talk about long range missiles, followed by reports of facilities blowing up (and possibly high ranking individual injured) in occupied Luhansk, and planes droping to the north in Russia.  There also seem to be psychological games in crimea. I like it.

Reports I'm seeing suggest that it was Russia that shot down the two Russian jets and three Russian helicopters

What we know is that they were shot in a very close proximity.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Personally, I am inclined to believe Strongpoint proposition especially if they got careless following a routine path, but IF what you say is true then there is also another outlandish possibility, could they be defectors?
https://news.yahoo.com/this-is-like-a-movie-ukraines-secret-plan-to-convince-3-russian-pilots-to-defect-with-their-planes-030018349.html

[Lord Shonus]

While we now that Ukraine never engages targets in Russia. It is war between Bryansk People Republic and Belgorod People Republic (for the right to be the only one BPR), I doubt that even Russian can friendly-fire five aircrafts

It isn't that outlandish if they're ultra paranoid about incoming missiles, especially when the missiles are hard to pick up and they know that the other guy has sophisticated decoys. If you just open up on anything you see, you can take down a lot of your own planes.

Meanwhile, pushing forward a S-300 like I've seen suggested would be really risky for the potential gain, and you'd need to infiltrate a lot of MANPAD systems to pull off this much result.



In other air defense news, it is not only confirmed that Patriot systems shot down an incoming Killjoy hypersonic missile, it is all but confirmed that the Killjoy was targeted on the Patriot site itself.

[EuchreJack]

Russian Air Defense can't stop other Russians from setting Russian Aircraft on fire...

[jipehog]

Turkish election is nothing compare to this change

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

@Lord Shonus, sorry poorly phrased, I meant that my plug for the spy novel story is the outlandish option. Also I still believe that Strongpoint assessment that it is long-range SAM is the most likely.

[EuchreJack]

Turkish election is nothing compare to this change

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

@Lord Shonus, sorry poorly phrased, I meant that my plug for the spy novel story is the outlandish option. Also I still believe that Strongpoint assessment that it is long-range SAM is the most likely.

No idea what that means.  If you're referring to the Ukrainian Peace Plan, it's no different than the proposal at the beginning of the war. If anything, I think it might be broader, with the call for Russian War Criminals to be tried.

Not really new at all, unless you call 6 months "new"

[jipehog]

It show Zelenski as president of Russia..

[EuchreJack]

It show Zelenski as president of Russia..

Oh, that would be called foreshadowing, LOL.

[Strongpoint]

In late January, with his mercenary forces dying by the thousands in a fight for the ruined city of Bakhmut, Wagner Group owner Yevgeniy Prigozhin made Ukraine an extraordinary offer.

Prigozhin said that if Ukraine’s commanders withdrew their soldiers from the area around Bakhmut, he would give Kyiv information on Russian troop positions, which Ukraine could use to attack them. Prigozhin conveyed the proposal to his contacts in Ukraine’s military intelligence directorate, with whom he has maintained secret communications during the course of the war, according to previously unreported U.S. intelligence documents leaked on the group-chat platform Discord.

More here - https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/05/14/prigozhin-wagner-ukraine-leaked-documents/

[Random_Dragon]

Let's see, place your bets. Is it:
A) A really stupid attempt to trick Ukraine into giving him a break?
B) Some sort of fake leak generated to give Putin an excuse to defenestration him?
C) Sheer batshit insanity?
D) Some combination of the above?

[King Zultan]

I feel like this is the part where we yell "It's a trap!"

[hector13]

I think it’s fake news trying to separate the leader of the cannon fodder from Putin.

Hopefully it works. If Putin’s only choice is to put raw recruits on the frontlines, that’s going to piss off even more wives and mothers.

The alternative is that Prigozhin is so mercenary he’s willing to invoke the wrath of Putin, and I’m not sure he’s that bananas. He’ll be avoiding windows for a while I imagine.

In other news, Zelensky has been continuing his relentless pressure on European leaders to continue supporting the Ukrainian defensive effort recently, visiting Italy, the Vatican, Germany, France, and now a surprise UK visit. I know nothing about his effectiveness as a leader, but he’s doing a pretty good job of keeping this at the forefront of the minds world leaders.