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[Great Order]

Invasive birds? Do they taste good?

Duck's one of those meats I seriously miss after going vegetarian.

So probably, yes.

[jipehog]

What are the news on Bakhmut strategy, we seem to have some conflicting version from Ukraine?

Local analysts think the idea is that keeping the town stalls the Russian offensive from developing further inward, which would let them keep the initiative and hobble Ukrainian preparations for their own offensive. Claims in the news that they're grinding the enemy down seem to hold less water now, that the town is in operational encirclement and losses are closer to equal on both sides. But since it's mainly light infantry doing the fighting, the losses may have been deemed acceptable.

Could be. Looking at the topographical map, I am not sure how far their next line would be, although it does give credence to the idea that is not as bad as it seems. From what I hear, it would be very hard for Russia to finish that encirclement against Ukrainian position on the high ground, likely its not their goal instead they are going would try to push north toward Ukrainians artillery position to widen the Ukrainian corridor, maybe even try for a bigger encirclement.

I suspect that going against fortified positions in the mountains would be as bloody as doing so in Urban terrain.

[Strongpoint]

Swiss neutrality is more important than ever, President Alain Berset said in an interview published Sunday, defending the controversial ban on transferring Swiss-made arms to Ukraine.

"Swiss weapons must not be used in wars," he told the NZZ am Sonntag weekly.

We got definitive proof that Ukrainians are not Nazis. Because if we were, Switzerland would supply us with ammo.

[Il Palazzo]

I suspect that going against fortified positions in the mountains would be as bloody as doing so in Urban terrain.

The surrounding terrain is hilly, but it's hardly mountains.

[EuchreJack]

Swiss neutrality is more important than ever, President Alain Berset said in an interview published Sunday, defending the controversial ban on transferring Swiss-made arms to Ukraine.

"Swiss weapons must not be used in wars," he told the NZZ am Sonntag weekly.

We got definitive proof that Ukrainians are not Nazis. Because if we were, Switzerland would supply us with ammo.

LOL

[jipehog]

I suspect that going against fortified positions in the mountains would be as bloody as doing so in Urban terrain.

The surrounding terrain is hilly, but it's hardly mountains.

Roughly half kilometer elevation between Bakhmut river (ostensibly current Russian position per deepstatemap) and Chasiv yar (reportedly Ukraine's artillery's position) so an uphill battel if you please

[EuchreJack]

I suspect that going against fortified positions in the mountains would be as bloody as doing so in Urban terrain.

The surrounding terrain is hilly, but it's hardly mountains.

Roughly half kilometer elevation between Bakhmut river (ostensibly current Russian position per deepstatemap) and Chasiv yar (reportedly Ukraine's artillery's position) so an uphill battle if you please

Ho HO!

[Il Palazzo]

Roughly half kilometer elevation between Bakhmut river (ostensibly current Russian position per deepstatemap) and Chasiv yar (reportedly Ukraine's artillery's position) so an uphill battel if you please

Check your map again. It's more like 500 feet. >If< you assume the worst possible route of advance. But they already control elevated positions west of Krasna Hora and south of Chasiv Yar.

[Strongpoint]

This thread is about emotional takes, right?

Well, I am very annoyed by the Oscar given to the documentary film about Navalny (and this award has nothing to do with the quality of the documentary). It is normalization of Russian crimes. Presenting Russians in the light of poor people under the heel of an evil dictator.

Navalny's wife said something along the lines "I dream one day my husband and my country will be free" and it is... a manipulation.

Russia IS free to do exactly what it wants. It is not like it is occupied by a foreign occupying power that forces it to do something Russia doesn't want. She could say "I hope one day my country won't be a bloodthirsty evil empire" or something along those lines but she didn't.

[jipehog]

Check your map again. It's more like 500 feet. >If< you assume the worst possible route of advance. But they already control elevated positions west of Krasna Hora and south of Chasiv Yar.

Damn imperial old and new, it is ft. Strongpoint were 100% correct. But do you think the terrain doesn't favor Ukraine? or that Russia is likely to attempt finish the encirclement or push north west as I heard?

Here is rough sketch of current position per latest deepstate:

[Lord Shonus]

The thing is, that's not virgin ground. Bakhmut was never expected to hold this long. Operational security has been very tight, but it is known that defenses have been under preparation for a long time. If the city falls (and remember that it has been falling Any Day Now for more than six months), the forces in the city are very likely fully prepared to defend their homes a little further to the east.


This assumes that the situation hasn't fundamentally changed by then. We saw last year that Ukraine is fully capable of letting the enemy focus on a single strongpoint in the defensive lines, then exploiting that preoccupation to launch major offenses that rip through the Russian lines like a hot chainsaw through butter. The next offensive won't single-handedly win the war, but if it follows previous patterns it is very likely that significant chunks of territory will be liberated.

[Strongpoint]

My understanding is that Bakhmut is being held to tie Russian forces there before a large-scale counter-attack will begin once the ground hardens enough. Which is no earlier than in 3 weeks.

Also, keep in mind that the very same soft, wet ground makes any retreat complicated, heavy equipment will need to be abandoned.

[MaxTheFox]

Navalny is a clown. He is an useful clown (to the opposition cause), but still a clown. Would do nothing against the oligarchs even if he or his followers somehow ended up in power, ensuring Russia would remain or turn back in short order to the same hellhole. I support the relatively disorganized socialist/neocommunist opposition more tbh. Whatever they bring can't be worse.

[KittyTac]

Navalny is a clown. He is an useful clown (to the opposition cause), but still a clown. Would do nothing against the oligarchs even if he or his followers somehow ended up in power, ensuring Russia would remain or turn back in short order to the same hellhole. I support the relatively disorganized socialist/neocommunist opposition more tbh. Whatever they bring can't be worse.

У нас в России есть такая традиция - каждые 100 лет наступать на те же грабли.

[MaxTheFox]

Лол