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Author Topic: Emotional Responses to War in Ukraine - Trollbait 2.0  (Read 238275 times)

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Re: Emotional Responses to War in Ukraine - Trollbait 2.0
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2023, 04:50:32 pm »

It's a weird mirror 2014 Ukraine. Massively pro-EU population; 75% support EU membership. A Pro-Russian government clearly passing laws to benefit the Russians and deliberately moving away from the EU. There's currently widespread protests with a big dose of Georgian and EU flags.
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« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2023, 06:09:57 pm »

Inb4 accusation of it all being orchestrated by the CIA and western satanist therefore completely justifying any and all atrocities about to be committed :V
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« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2023, 10:01:58 pm »

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« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2023, 10:16:13 pm »

PTW I still have nothing intelligent to say.
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« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2023, 12:47:41 am »

So, it looks like Georgia is about to enter a major political crisis, perhaps to the extent of Ukraine 2014.

Not entirely off-topic because 1) the current Georgian government helps Russia to circumvent sanctions 2) Russia is insane enough to invade Georgia opening one more front.
Aw shit, here we go again

>Russian military occupation of territory
>pro-Russian government baits population with talks of EU membership but balks
>protests in the street against pro-Russian government

Just hoping that if/when things progress to Russia invading Georgia, people won't just stand idly by like last time.

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« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2023, 03:13:06 am »

Sounds like Georgia is becoming Ukraine 2: Electric Boogaloo.

I'm sure the western satanists are involved and the whole thing is a plot to hurt Russia and that no genocide will come of it.
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« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2023, 04:20:34 am »

Sounds like Georgia is becoming Ukraine 2: Electric Boogaloo.

I'm sure the western satanists are involved and the whole thing is a plot to hurt Russia and that no genocide will come of it.

Well, Russia is unable to invade Georgia ATM so if they do everything quickly...

The draft which caused protests is already recalled so it may end soon. Or not. After the opposition gets what it wanted it either calms down or... becomes emboldened by their victory and demands more.
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« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2023, 07:36:07 am »

Hey Strongpoint, what's the situation in Bakhmut? Our media is saying it has almost fallen but I don't trust them at all obv.
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« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2023, 08:48:38 am »

Hey Strongpoint, what's the situation in Bakhmut? Our media is saying it has almost fallen but I don't trust them at all obv.
Short answer - Fog of war makes it extremely hard to say what is really happening there.

Slightly longer answer - it is almost encircled, the degree of that almost is hard to tell. Also eastern part of the city is no longer under Ukrainian control but how much of it is captured by Russian forces and how much of it is a gray zone is also extremely hard to tell.

I tend to trust this map: https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/36a7f6a6f5a9448496de641cf64bd375  It usually proves to be relatively accurate but with so much conflicting information I don't think that they represent what is happening there well ATM.
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« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2023, 08:51:01 am »

At least Georgia's Opposition Party can use Ukraine's history and defiance as a roadmap. It'll be hard, but at least they're not grappling blindly.

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« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2023, 08:57:17 am »

At least Georgia's Opposition Party can use Ukraine's history and defiance as a roadmap. It'll be hard, but at least they're not grappling blindly.

On other hand, the Georgian government has a failed example of suppressing protests and may study what went wrong.

Lukashenka kinda did that... but there were many wrong things with Belarusian protests, starting with the lack of properly organized opposition with legal status.
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« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2023, 09:17:13 am »

At least Georgia's Opposition Party can use Ukraine's history and defiance as a roadmap. It'll be hard, but at least they're not grappling blindly.

On other hand, the Georgian government has a failed example of suppressing protests and may study what went wrong.

Lukashenka kinda did that... but there were many wrong things with Belarusian protests, starting with the lack of properly organized opposition with legal status.
That is true, but arguably Moscow has fewer resources now to support their puppets, while the opposition has a rally point.

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« Reply #42 on: March 09, 2023, 09:59:27 am »

Well, Russia is unable to invade Georgia ATM so if they do everything quickly...
What can they achieve though?

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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/us/politics/nord-stream-pipeline-sabotage-ukraine.html
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« Reply #43 on: March 09, 2023, 02:24:01 pm »

Russia doesn't have the resources to actively fight in Georgia but they have already invested resources in pro-Russian groups within Georgia. Conflict in Georgia can only benefit Russia.
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« Reply #44 on: March 09, 2023, 10:15:23 pm »

Well, Russia is unable to invade Georgia ATM so if they do everything quickly...
What can they achieve though?

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U.S. Officials Say, Intelligence Suggests Pro-Ukrainian Group Sabotaged Pipelines.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/us/politics/nord-stream-pipeline-sabotage-ukraine.html

I feel like you answered your own question...

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