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Re: Emotional Responses to War in Ukraine - Trollbait 2.0
« Reply #2295 on: August 31, 2024, 04:06:16 pm »

Yeah, take a look through Reddit and you'll see swarms of people celebrating the deaths of Russian "Orcs" (Note the dehumanising term). I'm hardly a supporter of Russia, but it feels a bit hypocritical seeing that sort of thing from the people who treat every Ukrainian soldier who died as a human being with friends and family.

It's especially egregious when you get these comments under a video where it has fucking *music* on top of it like it's a fucking carnival ride or they're playing Doom or some similar happy/epic tune going on and you aren't literally witnessing people die.
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« Reply #2296 on: August 31, 2024, 04:11:01 pm »

Regarding knowledge of the camps, the "fear of becoming the next victim" is the context. It is always the context when authoritarian movements rise up.

The Nazis didn't go after the Jews first, they went after Germans of any race/religion that wouldn't conform into their hierarchy. From this Holocaust Museum page,
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From its rise to power in 1933, the Nazi regime built a series of incarceration sites to imprison and eliminate real and perceived "enemies of the state." Most prisoners in the early concentration camps were political prisoners—German Communists, Socialists, Social Democrats—as well as Roma (Gypsies), Jehovah's Witnesses, gay men and men accused of homosexuality, and persons accused of "asocial" or socially deviant behavior.".
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After Germany's annexation [Anschluss] of Austria in March 1938, Austrian political prisoners came into the Nazi concentration camp system. Following the violent Kristallnacht ("Night of Broken Glass") pogroms in November 1938, Nazi officials conducted mass arrests of adult male Jews throughout the country, the first time Jews were arrested en masse precisely because they were Jews. Over 30,000 German Jews were incarcerated in the Dachau, Buchenwald, and Sachsenhausen concentration camps in Germany, initially until each could provide proof of their ability to emigrate.

So, the German people had five years of seeing persecutions of other Germans. Five years of feeling the "fear of becoming the next victim". Plenty of those Germans were already willing to be a part of the Nazi movement, but many were coerced into silence and obedience during that time. This is where the real "brain-washing" comes in; that triggering of the body's fear chemicals to condition the individuals to respond in a particular way; all because the mind is attempting to perceive a path to survival.

If you had 5 years to think about it, would you choose to be a Nazi parrot or to get listed as an enemy of the state?

The camps... There were only 6 death-camps, but there were 30,000 work camps. From this holocaust-disambiguation site Number & Types of Camps
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Authoritarianism in a nation and in a home are very similar. When you see a family that is in fear of the potential anger from its dominant leader, you see how it is easier for them to accept the yoke than it is to fight the yoke. Then, that same family will stay silent when atrocities happen against family members.

In the same 1930's timeframe, Russia had their camps... This vid explains how the gulag system's records and internal communications were used to understand how Stalin's gulags had about 1/6th of the overall population in them.

And the current Russia... they are trying to consume Ukraine, just like Germany consumed Austria/Hungary/Czech. Filtration camps, moving Ukrainians into the distant regions of Russia where there is no escape.

And then, among the things the US's GOP Project 2025 people have been spouting, more camps.
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Re: Emotional Responses to War in Ukraine - Trollbait 2.0
« Reply #2297 on: August 31, 2024, 04:16:28 pm »

Oh yeah, Russia's committing a genocide in the areas it's occupied, there's no doubt. Not necessarily the one we think of when you say genocide (ie wholesale slaughter of a culture/ethnicity) but a cultural genocide - Break up the Ukrainians so there's no large, coherent Ukrainian identity in a region then Russify them, while backfilling with Russian citizens.

They do seem perfectly happy to kill them too. It's not entirely mutually exclusive. The guys mandating and running it are the kind that seriously pressure my commitment to the whole idea that killing should be avoided where possible.
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« Reply #2298 on: August 31, 2024, 11:25:13 pm »

Alas our national mentality makes a lot of our people (especially the older generations who don't go on the Western web much) easy to cow.
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« Reply #2299 on: August 31, 2024, 11:43:10 pm »

It’s not limited to Russians, it’s a human quality. Thinking is hard, so it’s easier to delegate that to someone or something else.
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« Reply #2300 on: September 03, 2024, 07:31:45 am »

Not a good day. 40+ killed 180+wounded in my home city. We somehow had no strikes of such magnitude, until now. The city is quite shocked.
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« Reply #2301 on: September 06, 2024, 11:41:25 pm »

The Russians appear to be running out of Yuans (China's currency) to purchase things.
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/russia-economy-china-yuan-sanctions-bank-payments-trade-transfers-2024-9

I want to make this very clear: China's financial institutions are currently afraid of US sanctions, and that is hurting Russia.
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« Reply #2302 on: September 07, 2024, 02:06:28 am »

What an interesting movie is about to be shown on Biennale in Venezia

Director, who made 11 documental movies for Russia Today, will be telling a story about poor Russian soldiers in a "anti-war" movie. This is what losing a propaganda war looks like.
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« Reply #2303 on: September 07, 2024, 08:54:45 am »

This is what losing a propaganda war looks like.

Lmao, all the propaganda is now biting them in the ass. They lied too much, too often. Now, they have nowhere to move.
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« Reply #2304 on: September 07, 2024, 10:41:23 am »

This is what losing a propaganda war looks like.

Lmao, all the propaganda is now biting them in the ass. They lied too much, too often. Now, they have nowhere to move.

I would love to agree but... A huge number of people are on the Russian side and believe them. Especially outside of the "West".
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« Reply #2305 on: September 07, 2024, 12:59:20 pm »

This is what losing a propaganda war looks like.

Lmao, all the propaganda is now biting them in the ass. They lied too much, too often. Now, they have nowhere to move.

I would love to agree but... A huge number of people are on the Russian side and believe them. Especially outside of the "West".

I always forget that people at large aren't very logical beings... I mean, I am not either, but at least I am aware of that.
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« Reply #2306 on: September 07, 2024, 03:37:58 pm »

What an interesting movie is about to be shown on Biennale in Venezia

Director, who made 11 documental movies for Russia Today, will be telling a story about poor Russian soldiers in a "anti-war" movie. This is what losing a propaganda war looks like.

The US hates Venezuela, so another 200 IQ plan from Genus Putin.

And by "US", I mean "Both political parties openly express disgust at Venezuela".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States%E2%80%93Venezuela_relations

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« Reply #2307 on: September 07, 2024, 03:44:24 pm »

What an interesting movie is about to be shown on Biennale in Venezia

Director, who made 11 documental movies for Russia Today, will be telling a story about poor Russian soldiers in a "anti-war" movie. This is what losing a propaganda war looks like.

The US hates Venezuela, so another 200 IQ plan from Genus Putin.

And by "US", I mean "Both political parties openly express disgust at Venezuela".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States%E2%80%93Venezuela_relations
this is the big venice, not the little one
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« Reply #2308 on: September 07, 2024, 03:48:48 pm »

Venezia is the Italian word for Venice.

Well… I should say Venice is the English word for Venezia.

I don’t understand why there really needs to be English words which are different from the actual names of non-English places, but there we go.

Anyway, there’s an international film festival on there just now, which I think is annual? I would’ve expected them to be a bit more selective, but arty types can be a bit weird sometimes.
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« Reply #2309 on: September 07, 2024, 04:37:58 pm »

Strictly, the 'Biennale' is every two years. It being in the name. The (Venice) 'Biannual' festival actually has several elements to it, the fairly recent Architecture and the fairly ancient Art ones have each taken turns (per year) to make them individually every other year (and thus the other being every other other year). Dance, Theatre, Film and Music sub-festivals happen every year (sequentially between them edit: as in, in sequential periods over the same year, lest you think I meant they're all quadrennial!) and the "Venice (International) Film Festival" as we know it is one of them. (Though the Italians know it as "Mostra Internazionale d'Arte Cinematografica della Biennale di Venezia", and the other three are sort of still named 'Biennale's of the appopriate artform, eveb in 'English'. I'm sure nobody ever gets confused about that, of course...)


Fun with common terminology though. (I've just had a conversation elsewhere about how individual ladybirds can of course be both male and female and are insects, not avians. Or if you prefer the term "ladybug", then they coleoptera (beetles), not hemiptera (the 'true bug'). And the Red Panda is essentially a racooon, or maybe even a weasle.)
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