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[lemon10]

This short video gives a good breakdown of why that plane probably had no prisoners and no s-300 missiles on it.

new update: Some of the names on the passenger list have been confirmed as already swapped on January 3rd.

Yeah, just Russia being liars like usual.

[King Zultan]

Seems like anytime Russia says anything like this it's a lie, not sure why they think anyone will believe them when they try shit like this after all this.

[hector13]

It’s to make people second-guess themselves. Time taken to double check something or otherwise verify something is time that isn’t spent killing Russians.

[Strongpoint]

Seems like anytime Russia says anything like this it's a lie, not sure why they think anyone will believe them when they try shit like this after all this.

At the very least, Russians in social networks are writing "ha-ha-ha, stupid Ukrainians killed their own Azov Nazies" instead of "why the hell we lost another aircraft?"

[MaxTheFox]

Most people are sheep and don't even fact-check.

[anewaname]

It is also not in their interest to fact-check...

If they are a part of a group and do not feel it is safe to separate from the group, they will accept information as something they are expected to believe to maintain their position within that hierarchical group.

[ChairmanPoo]

Its not like anyone is in a position to factcheck any of this tbh

[Starver]

I find it increasingly amazing that (so far as I've seen, without going out to look for it, but trusting that it'd filter itself out to media regardless) there has not been any sort of proof/'proof' of what was found at the crash site.

If it supported Russia's position, they'd happily do so. If it didn't, they'd happily fudge something that apparently does.

[Strongpoint]

"Ukraine is buried in its lies regarding the Il-76 disaster," Permanent Representative of Russia Dmitry Polyanskiy said at a UN Security Council meeting.

He furthermore said that the US and Germany will be accomplices if it is proven that a Patriot or IRIS-T was used. He said Russia is 'outraged' that international organizations refused to condemn the crash while also stating that 'Russia will do everything to ensure that all those responsible for the crash of the Il-76 are held accountable.'


Russia is playing some bizarre and morbid game of lies. Not only the route of the IL-76 makes no sense if it was loaded with POWs, If there were any corpses of Ukrainian POWs on the crash site they would show them already. I am really afraid that they will produce corpses via other means to keep this game going.

[EuchreJack]

Russia typically doesn't stick with one story very long. They're lousy liars in that they can't keep their stories internally consistent.
They probably won't even bother bolstering this story with any new information, true or fake.

But it makes sense: Everyone in Russian Government lives in a reality where their word is law, and the word of the person over them is also law. They don't have accountability, and they never have to prove anything to anyone.

Most US news sources will either report the official position of the Russians or the Ukrainians as fact, only changing their reporting when some outside party brings new facts to their attention.

Republicans will mostly report this story as fact. Democrats will disassemble, disprove, and ignore it.  Some brave soul will probably get at the Truth, but be quickly buried under a wave of Tomorrow's Important News.

[Starver]

"Ukraine is buried in its lies regarding the Il-76 disaster," ...

*cough*MH-17*cough*

Almost laughable.

[anewaname]

Putting aside the specific of what Russia said, they seem intent on making this into something other than a "planes get shot down in war" event... Maybe they just did a PR campaign about new defenses installed near Belgorod and how much safer it would be.

[Strongpoint]

Ukraine lost the case against Russia in ICJ. I am so surprised (not)

[heydude6]

Is there a reason why the ICJ is so hesitant to make rulings? Do they impose an extremely strong burden of poof or are they afraid of angering Russia? Or are they afraid that if they accuse a country of extreme violations and nothing gets done about it, they'll look like a joke?

[Frumple]

For what it's worth, the ICJ did make rulings, just... not very helpful ones, especially so far as Ukraine's side of thing is concerned. That link summation is kinda' wrong (among other things, there was multiple cases involved, one of which Ukraine won at least partially, and more coming), though the article it links to is more clear.

... as for why it might be hesitant to make rulings, particularly ones favorable to countries in situations like Ukraine, though, well. Look at its current members and take two guesses. It's not exactly going to be a neutral ruling body, ha.