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[Lord Shonus]

I'm not linking it for obvious reasons, but I've seen footage of the crash - somebody caught it on a cell phone while it was falling from the sky. The damage to the aircraft looked external (making a bomb improbable), and the longer version has contrails nearby that look suspiciously like they intersected the flight path (suggesting that they may be from a missile).

I've also seen some pictures supposedly of the crash site, where the wreckage is riddled with the sort of fragmentation impacts you would expect from a missile warhead, but I don't know if that's authentic or not.

[Strongpoint]

Meanwhile, Russia started leveling graves of Wagner fighters. - https://twitter.com/adnashmyash/status/1695045804916985974

Eternal memory indeed.

[King Zultan]

Ah yes, the "JFK wasn't assassinated, his head just did that" type theory.

Theories like that are always the funniest ones, love reading shit like those.

[Strongpoint]

Oh, the Ukrainian Internet is FILLED with stupid conspiracy theories about Prigozhin. It is amazing how even during a war most of the content is clickbaity stuff made solely for making money.

[Loud Whispers]

I am offended that there is no "It was Ukrainian intelligence that planted a bomb" theory... After all, it is what Russian propaganda seems to hint at.

A good way to determine what happened is to wait and see if Russians will allow Embraer to examine the wreck. If not it will confirm a SAM missile.

I heard there was a funny interview with a duma representative where they asked him who did it and he said "Ukrainians obviously" and the interviewer then asked him "how are Russian defences so weak can Ukrainians operate with impunity inside Russia" and he immediately began to panic

FSB: "Putin, Prigozhin is dead."
Putin: "Ahhh, so the poisoned potato found it's mark I see."
FSB: "....Poisoned whatnow?"
Putin: "...What was that explosion just now?"

Gerasimov's assassin looking panicked as he sits behind watching Prigozhin eat Putin's poisoned potato whilst Shoigu's missile races towards them all

Even better: Those guys can form the seed of some proper NATO special boat service. Ukraine's gonna have a TON of actual combat experience to share with the West.

Not least to say Ukrainian combat experience is of a kind NATO doesn't have a lot in. How to fight a conventional land war with limited air cover

1. His shitty aeroplane spontaneously crashed and died due to lack of spare parts and shitty maintenance quality.

Ah yes, the "JFK wasn't assassinated, his head just did that" type theory.

Not too impossible, given the state of Russian aerospace industry. The plane doing erratic maneuvres (rapid ascents & descents) before the crash, and the video of the plane clearly missing bits of itself before the crash, both suggest they tried to dodge a missile and then got hit. If a 100 oligarchs fall out of a window, one of them is bound to be an accident

Meanwhile, Russia started leveling graves of Wagner fighters. - https://twitter.com/adnashmyash/status/1695045804916985974

Eternal memory indeed.

Criminals to mercenaries to ghosts to war criminals to war heroes to traitors to patriots to redacted

Keeping track of what you're supposed to believe on any given day must be exhausting in Russia

[Egan_BW]

Even better: Those guys can form the seed of some proper NATO special boat service. Ukraine's gonna have a TON of actual combat experience to share with the West.

Not least to say Ukrainian combat experience is of a kind NATO doesn't have a lot in. How to fight a conventional land war with limited air cover

"Why would we ever need to do that?"~

[Loud Whispers]

Even better: Those guys can form the seed of some proper NATO special boat service. Ukraine's gonna have a TON of actual combat experience to share with the West.

Not least to say Ukrainian combat experience is of a kind NATO doesn't have a lot in. How to fight a conventional land war with limited air cover

"Why would we ever need to do that?"~

[PRC & NK looking nervously at SK]

[Cathar]

Meanwhile, Russia started leveling graves of Wagner fighters. - https://twitter.com/adnashmyash/status/1695045804916985974

Eternal memory indeed.

Half of me is like "that's the just reward for serving evil", and the other half yet feels a bit bad for them.
Guys, just defect to the free legion, they are hiring.

[EuchreJack]

Meanwhile, Russia started leveling graves of Wagner fighters. - https://twitter.com/adnashmyash/status/1695045804916985974

Eternal memory indeed.

Half of me is like "that's the just reward for serving evil", and the other half yet feels a bit bad for them.
Guys, just defect to the free legion, they are hiring.

...they seem a better fit for the Russian Volunteer Corps.

And they probably already are doing so.

[martinuzz]

It must be horrible to be Russian parents and see the guy who raped your teenage daughter and killed her with 60 stabs with a knife walking down your street as a decorated  war hero

[Loud Whispers]

In interviews, those who knew Salmin said they feared running into the same man who once terrorised their home town and may now have been made untouchable by his association with Prigozhin, one of Russia’s most notorious figures.

“We started seeing him in town a few weeks ago,” one local resident who has known Salmin for many years told the Guardian. “He is a dangerous man, we all know what he did to his friend. I told my kids not to run around alone in the coming days. It wasn’t just what he did to his friend, he stole from people, got in many fights and was harassing girls. He drank a lot, used drugs and was violent.”

“We don’t want such people back in Pikalevo,” said the person, who asked not to be identified for fear of retribution. “What kind of hero is he?”

...

Many fear that those being released could now seek to settle scores at home.

In 2014, Kirill Neglin of Segezha was sentenced to 12 years in prison on counts of drug dealing and domestic abuse. After a bout of heavy drinking, he repeatedly hit and kicked his wife, terrorising her both at home and then following her to their dacha, where she said she silently endured another attack because she feared for their children’s lives.

After she testified against him, Neglin issued a threat in court. “She won’t live long,” he said, according to a court transcript first reported by the independent news outlet Verstka. “Whatever sentence the court gives [me], that’s how long she has left to live.”

If you see the guy walking down your street a decorated war hero and you're the reason he got convicted you'd probably better start running because they may be there to kill you

[Strongpoint]

It must be horrible to be Russian parents and see the guy who raped your teenage daughter and killed her with 60 stabs with a knife walking down your street as a decorated  war hero

Chances are that those same Russian parents will praise another similar "hero" who killed and raped a teenage daughter of other people. Empathy is unknown for those people.

[martinuzz]

Russia is sending their elite paratrooper 76th Guard division to the southern front, hoping to halt the Ukrainian breakthrough.
They were considered to be Russia's top division by western military analists, but since their failure to capture Hostomel airport near Kiev, their battle readiness has dropped dramatically, and their status has been greatly demoted.

Ukrainians at the southern front: aim for the blue berets for bonus points.

[heydude6]

hoping to halt the Ukrainian breakthrough.

Are you telling me there's a Ukrainian breakthrough? This is my first time hearing about this. I've heard the counter-offensive went badly this year.

[Eric Blank]

Yeah I haven't heard any news of progress being made either