tl;dr wtf why does everybody hate ToonyMan?
Ninja-san Tric:
Would Toony need to buddy Jim so blatantly and obviously if they were scum buddies?
Fuck you, I like ToonyMan.
@NQT & Jim
Is Max scum buddies with Toonyman or Webadict?
If we assume that one between Toonyman & Webadict is Mafia, what does that mean about Max's alignment?
I feel like I should do more research into the game before answering your question but since you bitched about me ignoring your questions you get my opinion at the moment.
If Maximum Spin is scum I don't think he partners well with either webadict or ToonyMan. My gut is leaning towards thinking the latter two are town.
If one of ToonyMan and webadict is scum I don't really think that means anything for Max's alignment.
@Jim: How come you have a giant blindspot regarding Toonyman?
Not my only blindspot, I assure you.
But I don't get it. I'm really not bothered by ToonyMan's end of Day 1.
@Jim: Does town!Toony play to emotion so much?
The only person I'd say who really plays to emotion on this board is Knightwing64,
and you during Day 1.
ToonyMan hasn't been swearing at people and cursing them so it really doesn't feel like he's appealing to emotion at all.
Just putting this out there, I think Max is town according to the following logic:
1) Toony claims Max is scum with Web
2) Web claims Max is scum with Toony
3) I feel one of Toony or Web is scum, and I am reasonably sure that is Toony.
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If Toony or Web is scum, they have outed their partner if Max is Mafia. Therefore, Max is Town, since that is stupid
This doesn't make any sense but I read you slightly more favorably for it.
This feels a lot like a bad faith reading of the intent behind ToonyMan's end of Day 1 actions.
I don't understand the intent of ToonyMan's end of Day 1 actions. Can you explain it to me? The only way it makes sense to me is scum desperately trying to move the vote. It's not something I would ever do as town.
I probably don't need to insert words into ToonyMan's mouth, but he wasn't hot on an a1s lynch (something I was not hot on either) and tried to do something about it. There's decent town reasons why a town ToonyMan would do this.
Rapid vote changes and bargaining aren't uncommon for end of day CFD scenarios so I'm pretty confused what everybody is upset about.
I didn't think a1s was scum at that point and didn't want to see them die.
Would I have voted a1s last second to ensure an elimination? I probably would have.
That's a bit of a contradiction, unless a1s is town, but you'd kill me anyway?
Not really.
Given a choice between a good lynch and a bad lynch, obviously the good lynch is preferable.
Given the choice between a bad lynch and no lynch, the bad lynch is preferable.
Lynches provide information, which is important to help the town narrow down possibilities about what valid scum teams are possible.
Or you were protecting Max, it's why you said that there.
Vote ToonyMan/Maximum Spin 2023!
(inb4 I get murdered for being AFK: I'm going to sleep.)
Maximum Spin isn't opposed to a good bus and if a ToonyMan/Maximum Spin scum team decided that there was advantage to do it, they would. But, Maximum Spin has been keeping ToonyMan within hammer range which is something he doesn't need to do to his scum partner when they could go after other targets.
So,
if you really think about it,
and I mean really,
you know, in your opinion,
how much sense does a ToonyMan/Maximum Spin scumteam make?
I'm beginning to feel unappreciated in this subforum! I think I used to have an okay rep as a player... somehow I managed to squander it through bad play and rolling mafia repeatedly.
Maybe I haven't caught on to all the super secret scumtells that everybody else has but I don't think you're bad.
More pressingly, why do you say that when you also said this, Toony?
Hmm I like NQT's attitude towards Jack.
It's like he dropped his earlier read when it was no longer convenient. I'm the obvious patsy from a scum!Toony perspective. D1 a newb could be mislynched, but D2+ he needs me to be available as the next mislynch. So he's setting his ducks in a row.
Egh, I don't like this.
People's opinions develop as the game goes on, don't they? Wow he changed his opinion oh no it's not like there was a specific reaction of EuchreJack's he pointed to that changed his mind.
If ToonyMan is town I think the odds are pretty good it's you/Max because it really doesn't feel like either of you are coming from genuine places with your criticisms of ToonyMan.
NQT could be anything, let's say town for now. Plant part could be anything, can't tell.
Moreover, going back to this post, why would a town!Toony be speculating about the plants? It's like he forgot to save that analysis for the scumchat. He's blurring his roles here.
"ToonyMan meant to post his plant speculation in scumchat instead"
This is farcical criticism.
I don't like your case against ToonyMan. It's pretty bad. It feels a lot like you're working backwards from the conclusion 'ToonyMan needs to be lynched' and finding reasons to support this even if they're poor or invalid.
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I don't like any of this. I think this is most disingenuous argument against me out of everyone, like you're an actor speaking on a stage.
How is ToonyMan scum when I agree with him more than any other player??
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Reads:
Town:
TricMagic
a1s
Fluffe9911
ToonyMan
Lean Town:
EuchreJack
webadict
Don't like:
notquitethere
Maximum Spin
I thought somewhat positively about notquitethere until I read his Day 2 case justifying his vote on ToonyMan, which was pure garbage.
Fluffe9911 mocks me by saying I blend into the background but Maximum Spin has been less impressive during Day 2. Max's suspicions towards ToonyMan bother me but I dislike his read on a1s less; a feeling I've had regarding his read on a1s is that after trying for a1s on Day 1 (and doing fuckall during the CFD) he's boxed in to keep suspecting a1s which doesn't feel exceptionally genuine to me. I want to reread the game to verify and refine this opinion though.
I think a1s and TricMagic are town but I really don't know what either of them are on about by voting ToonyMan.
I should be engaging webadict since the posts he's making like he has his finger on the trigger of the gun pointed at ToonyMan don't feel as perfectly reasoned as I feel like they should be but I'm also struggling to articulate particular objections.
Going to go with
notquitethere and also ask people not to lynch ToonyMan.
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