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Re: CWAR: UNSA Thread // Design Phase // Warm Seasons 1947
« Reply #210 on: June 06, 2023, 04:05:23 pm »

I do like the Made Men. As for the Skylorry... it seems like an interesting aircraft base in principle and I'm all about a cargo plane, and m's logic for making it civilian does kind of resonate with me even if I don't know that it'll work that way in practice. But it's made from scratch, so the reverse engineering credit wouldn't even apply if it did work this way, which it doesn't - the reverse engineering credit just lets you take an enemy civvy design with a revision.

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Design:
(1) UNSA Model 194X "Camembert" Gravitic Needler: ConscriptFive
(3) Avion Industries (C-47) Skylorry: Quarque, Andrea, Powder Miner
(4) 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men:" ConscriptFive, Quarque, Andrea, Powder Miner
(1) BR804 "Albatross": Kashyyk
(1) "Ronin" Private Mechanized Company: Kashyyk

Credit Expenditure (separated at GM request):
(2) Reverse Engineering Credit on 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men" (this isn't legal): Quarque, Andrea
(1) No Reverse Engineering Credit: Powder Miner

(3) Expense Credit on 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men": Quarque, Andrea, Powder Miner
(1) Expense Credit on "Ronin" Private Mechanized Company: Kashyyk
(0) No Expense Credit:

(1) Research Credit on UNSA Model 194X "Camembert" Gravitic Needler: ConscriptFive
(1) Research Credit on 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men": Quarque
(1) Research Credit on BR804 "Albatross": Kashyyk
(1) Research Credit on Avion Industries (C-47) Skylorry: Powder Miner
(0) No Research Credit:
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Re: CWAR: UNSA Thread // Design Phase // Warm Seasons 1947
« Reply #211 on: June 06, 2023, 04:08:00 pm »

I'll remove my illegal vote

Quote from: Design Votebox
Design:
(1) UNSA Model 194X "Camembert" Gravitic Needler: ConscriptFive
(3) Avion Industries (C-47) Skylorry: Quarque, Andrea, Powder Miner
(4) 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men:" ConscriptFive, Quarque, Andrea, Powder Miner
(1) BR804 "Albatross": Kashyyk
(1) "Ronin" Private Mechanized Company: Kashyyk

Credit Expenditure (separated at GM request):
(1) Reverse Engineering Credit on 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men" (this isn't legal): Quarque
(1) No Reverse Engineering Credit: Powder Miner

(3) Expense Credit on 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men": Quarque, Andrea, Powder Miner
(1) Expense Credit on "Ronin" Private Mechanized Company: Kashyyk
(0) No Expense Credit:

(1) Research Credit on UNSA Model 194X "Camembert" Gravitic Needler: ConscriptFive
(1) Research Credit on 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men": Quarque
(1) Research Credit on BR804 "Albatross": Kashyyk
(1) Research Credit on Avion Industries (C-47) Skylorry: Powder Miner
(1) No Research Credit: Andrea
« Last Edit: June 06, 2023, 04:11:27 pm by andrea »
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Re: CWAR: UNSA Thread // Design Phase // Warm Seasons 1947
« Reply #212 on: June 06, 2023, 04:20:03 pm »

Quote from: Design Votebox
Design:
(0) UNSA Model 194X "Camembert" Gravitic Needler:
(4) Avion Industries (C-47) Skylorry: Quarque, Andrea, Powder Miner, ConscriptFive
(4) 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men:" ConscriptFive, Quarque, Andrea, Powder Miner
(1) BR804 "Albatross": Kashyyk
(1) "Ronin" Private Mechanized Company: Kashyyk

Credit Expenditure (separated at GM request):
(1) Reverse Engineering Credit on 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men" (this isn't legal): Quarque
(1) No Reverse Engineering Credit: Powder Miner, ConscriptFive

(3) Expense Credit on 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men": Quarque, Andrea, Powder Miner
(1) Expense Credit on "Ronin" Private Mechanized Company: Kashyyk
(0) Expense Credit on Avion Industries (C-47) Skylorry:
(1) No Expense Credit: ConscriptFive

(0) Research Credit on UNSA Model 194X "Camembert" Gravitic Needler:
(1) Research Credit on 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men": Quarque
(1) Research Credit on BR804 "Albatross": Kashyyk
(2) Research Credit on Avion Industries (C-47) Skylorry: Powder Miner, ConscriptFive
(1) No Research Credit: Andrea

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Re: CWAR: UNSA Thread // Design Phase // Warm Seasons 1947
« Reply #213 on: June 06, 2023, 04:37:56 pm »

Quote from: Design Votebox
Design:
(0) UNSA Model 194X "Camembert" Gravitic Needler:
(4) Avion Industries (C-47) Skylorry: Quarque, Andrea, Powder Miner, ConscriptFive
(4) 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men:" ConscriptFive, Quarque, Andrea, Powder Miner
(1) BR804 "Albatross": Kashyyk
(1) "Ronin" Private Mechanized Company: Kashyyk

Credit Expenditure (separated at GM request):
(1) Reverse Engineering Credit on 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men" (this isn't legal): Quarque
(2) No Reverse Engineering Credit: Powder Miner, ConscriptFive

(3) Expense Credit on Avion Industries (C-47) Skylorry: Quarque, Andrea, Powder Miner
(1) Expense Credit on "Ronin" Private Mechanized Company: Kashyyk
(0) Expense Credit on 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men":
(1) No Expense Credit: ConscriptFive

(0) Research Credit on UNSA Model 194X "Camembert" Gravitic Needler:
(1) Research Credit on 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men": Quarque
(1) Research Credit on BR804 "Albatross": Kashyyk
(2) Research Credit on Avion Industries (C-47) Skylorry: Powder Miner, ConscriptFive
(1) No Research Credit: Andrea
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Re: CWAR: UNSA Thread // Design Phase // Warm Seasons 1947
« Reply #214 on: June 06, 2023, 04:41:29 pm »

Quote from: Design Votebox
Design:
(0) UNSA Model 194X "Camembert" Gravitic Needler:
(5) Avion Industries (C-47) Skylorry: Quarque, Andrea, Powder Miner, ConscriptFive, m1895
(5) 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men:" ConscriptFive, Quarque, Andrea, Powder Miner, m1895
(1) BR804 "Albatross": Kashyyk
(1) "Ronin" Private Mechanized Company: Kashyyk

Credit Expenditure (separated at GM request):
(1) Reverse Engineering Credit on 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men" (this isn't legal): Quarque
(2) No Reverse Engineering Credit: Powder Miner, ConscriptFive

(4) Expense Credit on Avion Industries (C-47) Skylorry: Quarque, Andrea, Powder Miner, m1895
(1) Expense Credit on "Ronin" Private Mechanized Company: Kashyyk
(0) Expense Credit on 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men":
(1) No Expense Credit: ConscriptFive

(0) Research Credit on UNSA Model 194X "Camembert" Gravitic Needler:
(1) Research Credit on 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men": Quarque
(1) Research Credit on BR804 "Albatross": Kashyyk
(4) Research Credit on Avion Industries (C-47) Skylorry: Powder Miner, ConscriptFive, m1895
(1) No Research Credit: Andrea
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Re: CWAR: UNSA Thread // Design Phase // Warm Seasons 1947
« Reply #215 on: June 06, 2023, 06:47:19 pm »

Quote from: Design Votebox
Design:
(0) UNSA Model 194X "Camembert" Gravitic Needler:
(5) Avion Industries (C-47) Skylorry: Quarque, Andrea, Powder Miner, ConscriptFive, m1895
(5) 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men:" ConscriptFive, Quarque, Andrea, Powder Miner, m1895
(1) BR804 "Albatross": Kashyyk
(1) "Ronin" Private Mechanized Company: Kashyyk

Credit Expenditure (separated at GM request):
(2) No Reverse Engineering Credit: Powder Miner, ConscriptFive

(4) Expense Credit on Avion Industries (C-47) Skylorry: Quarque, Andrea, Powder Miner, m1895
(1) Expense Credit on "Ronin" Private Mechanized Company: Kashyyk
(0) Expense Credit on 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men":
(1) No Expense Credit: ConscriptFive

(0) Research Credit on UNSA Model 194X "Camembert" Gravitic Needler:
(1) Research Credit on 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men": Quarque
(1) Research Credit on BR804 "Albatross": Kashyyk
(3) Research Credit on Avion Industries (C-47) Skylorry: Powder Miner, ConscriptFive, m1895
(1) No Research Credit: Andrea
« Last Edit: June 06, 2023, 06:54:01 pm by Quarque »
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Re: CWAR: UNSA Thread // Design Phase // Warm Seasons 1947
« Reply #216 on: June 07, 2023, 07:43:34 pm »

Quote from: Design Votebox
Design:
(1) UNSA Model 194X "Camembert" Gravitic Needler: Funk
(6) Avion Industries (C-47) Skylorry: Quarque, Andrea, Powder Miner, ConscriptFive, m1895, Funk
(5) 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men:" ConscriptFive, Quarque, Andrea, Powder Miner, m1895
(1) BR804 "Albatross": Kashyyk
(1) "Ronin" Private Mechanized Company: Kashyyk

Credit Expenditure (separated at GM request):
(3) No Reverse Engineering Credit: Powder Miner, ConscriptFive, Funk

(4) Expense Credit on Avion Industries (C-47) Skylorry: Quarque, Andrea, Powder Miner, m1895
(1) Expense Credit on "Ronin" Private Mechanized Company: Kashyyk
(0) Expense Credit on 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men":
(2) No Expense Credit: ConscriptFive, Funk

(0) Research Credit on UNSA Model 194X "Camembert" Gravitic Needler:
(1) Research Credit on 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men": Quarque
(1) Research Credit on BR804 "Albatross": Kashyyk
(3) Research Credit on Avion Industries (C-47) Skylorry: Powder Miner, ConscriptFive, m1895
(1) No Research Credit: Andrea
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Agree, plus that's about the LAST thing *I* want to see from this kind of game - author spending valuable development time on useless graphics.

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CWAR: UNSA Thread // Revision Phase // Warm Seasons 1947
« Reply #217 on: July 08, 2023, 08:44:45 pm »

Design Phase


Proposal: Avion Industries (C-47) Skylorry (uses Expense and Research Credits)
Difficulty: Hard Normal
Result: 1+1=2, Utter Failure (god damn)

Everything about the C-47 seemed like it should be relatively easy for our engineers to figure out, at least until they were instructed to make Gravite function against it's natural properties. For some reason, UNSA engineers had incredible difficulty figuring out a way to make gravite more energy efficient when angled relative to the surface of the planet.

What they did eventually manage to do is put holes in the materials lab roof by slightly altering the alloy ratio, which gave the gravite perpendicular efficiency equal to the energy efficiency of parallel motion. The change in the alloy should make it cheaper to produce, meaning Gravite should have less of an impact on the cost of equipment utilizing it.

While this means the Peacemaker is a little cheaper to produce and functions moderately better when angled, the C-47 remains an idea and little more.

One of the engineers has been relieved from duty after going on and on about a recurring dream in which the last Abberan Queen appears before them, states "Remember the issues with firing mechanisms, you should know better. And if you don't, ask an Initharian. You should really know better though, Thirteen," before shooting them in the head and waking them up in a cold sweat. 


Proposal: 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men"
Difficulty: Hard
Result: (6+3)-1=8, Average

The 3rd MAID "Made Men" is a group made up almost exclusively of officers from the Army, Navy, and Air Force with backgrounds in logistics and/or intelligence. They are generally tasked with aiding foreign powers in modernizing and restructuring their armed forces, securing roles as advisors to politically connected or higher ranked individuals (often one and the same) within the government and military.

After embedding themselves in a foreign nation, Made Men use the skills acquired from their backgrounds to evaluate, update, and improve a nation's military capabilities, largely via promoting arms trade with UNSA and providing familiar and knowledgeable hands for training the native military instructors. Once a nation has gotten in bed with UNSA and interests are confirmed as (or forcefully) aligned, the embedded Made Men are able to provide their hosts with sensitive highly classified information (on a need to know basis, obviously).

Foreign nations housing Made Men will see themselves finding favorable deals and therefore receive larger shipments of UNSA goods, and will find themselves in better tactical and strategic positions should UNSA have the means to gather the necessary intel. The Made Men are very obviously UNSA military personnel, and the world will likely view their presence in a foreign nation as (light) direct military intervention, even if they do not participate in combat themselves.

The 3rd Military Advisory and Intelligence Detachment "The Made Men" is considered a (NATIONAL EFFORT) and can only be deployed in one location at a time.


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It is now the Revision Phase. You have two actions to work with.

After some consideration, a change has been made to the Midgame Strategy Phase. Instead of one New World and two Old World actions, you will be receiving one New World action, one Old World action, and one "wildcard" that you can apply to either the New or Old World. You will be reminded of this change in the Strategy Phase.

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Re: CWAR: UNSA Thread // Revision Phase // Warm Seasons 1947
« Reply #218 on: July 09, 2023, 09:25:27 am »

Quote from: Badger class military transport ship
Revision of Eve-Class Coast Guard Cutter

After failing the ambitious Skylorry project, UNSA engineers were tasked to come up with an alternative method of transporting military equipment across the ocean. Something simple and effective, this time. And there wasn't enough time to design a new model from scratch. It had to be delivered yesterday.

UNSA did have the Eve class Coast Guard ship, capable of transporting a single sea plane. A step in the right direction, but obviously not enough. Engineers started working on the hull of an Eve class ship that was still under construction.

The hull was cut in half and then a section was added in the middle to create a larger ship. Then they improvised a new model of transport ship. In order to facilitate fast on- and offloading of equipment, two cranes were added to the deck rather than the one on the Eve; one at the front and one at the rear. A plain bridge was added in the middle for command, without adding any of the advanced sensors on board of the Eve.
The ship was equipped with enough armaments to scare off pirates, at least. A single 120 mm gun of the same model as used for the Herring destroyer was added at the front. This was complemented with two "Combine" machine guns forward and another two rear side.

The resulting Badger class troop transport was ugly and the more ambitious engineers in UNSA were dissatisfied by the lack of copious amounts of Caelium alloys. But it got the job done, until the model became obsolete.
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Re: CWAR: UNSA Thread // Revision Phase // Warm Seasons 1947
« Reply #219 on: July 09, 2023, 06:51:22 pm »

Revision: C-47 "Carragan" Military Transport Plane
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Following the fiasco of the "Skylorry Affair," the C-47 "Carragan" will apply common sense streamlining and the well trod aviation advancements from the Firefly series to modify the B-43 "Barragan" into a successful military transport plane.

Right off the bat, the ten autocannons in five turrets are axed.  "Getting the lead out" results in shedding literally tons of weight and reduces the crew in half to a mere five: pilot, co-pilot, navigator, radio operator, and loadmaster.  (Taking the place of the bombadier billet, the "loadmaster" is a specialized enlisted man that ensures all cargo/passengers are properly weighed, balanced, and secured to ensure a safe flight and minimize waste.  During flight, the loadmaster is physically present in the cargo bay to ensure passengers/cargo stay properly secured and don't endanger the flight.)

Speaking of payloads, with the five turrets and their associated gunners and machinery absent, the formerly cramped bomb bay now fully extends from the cockpit to the tail.  The bomb racks and bomb bay doors are expectedly gone as well, creating a cavernous pressurized cargo bay even the tallest man can freely walk through.  (No ladders or crawlways here!)  Furthermore, the cargo bay is now accessed by a "Roll-on Roll-off" (RoRo) style ramp mounted under the tail.  Under the loadmaster's supervision, passengers, forklifts of cargo, and even light vehicles can embark and disembark without the necessity of ladders, stairs, or cranes.

...And we haven't even discussed the benefits reaped from the various stages of Firefly development. Cockpit avionics have been modernized to Firefly standards, making the C-47 Carragan easier and safer to fly, especially in night/low-vis conditions.  Furthermore, Levisteel (tm) has been introduced to the airframes, shedding further tons of weight and adding C-Lift (tm) to its aerodynamics.

In conclusion appropriate streamlining efforts and introduction of proven technology from long-running Firefly development should create a modern transport plane with at least double the payload of the original bomber.

The Skylorry was a good design, but a nat crit fail is a nat crit fail.  We've sunk enough actions into the Firefly that this revision should easily match or surpass what the Commies pulled.

Also, Googled up some numbers, and 20mm autocannons are heavy alright.  A single pintle mounted gun with 200 rounds is 400lb/180kg.  The bomber had 10 of them, plus whatever turret hardware and the five gunners themselves.  Do the math and that ends up being 3000kg easy.  Probably overthinking this, but seeing as the starting bomber had a stated 6000kg payload, that's already a 50% improvement.

Revision: "Nightwatchman" Median SLR Mod

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An unexpected boon from the Firefly SPOT, the Light Amplifying Spotter's Helmet (LASH), is a cutting edge tech ripe for further exploitation.  The "Nightwatchman" modification to the Median SLR brings that capability to the hands of the infantry.

Modifying a Median to "Nightwatchman" specification first involves permanently affixing a Dallas style rail to the top of the weapon, and then accordingly replacing the iron sight with one that won't be blocked by the permanent rail.  As it was with the Dallas, the rail itself allows the user to attach and remove compatible optics without even needing to use hand tools.  Of note, given the certain reputation of the overall Dallas product, the rail mounting system  is machined to exacting tolerances such that compatible optics should reliably keep their zero when reattached.

As for the optics itself, the system is issued with two.  For daytime use, the inexpensive and perfectly acceptable 2x Dallas mildot scope is issued.  As advertised, the second optic is the namesake "Nightwatchman (tm)" Night Observation Device (NOD).  The Nightwatchman (tm) is an oversized light amplifying scope derived from the LASH.  Performance wise, the NOD amplifies ambient light comparable to the LASH, at a fixed 2x magnification, and 12 hours of battery life.  Already a bulky weapon system, the 1kg battery fits in a common wearable canteen pouch and is attached to the weapon-mounted NOD by a long power cord.

Spec'd as a modification to the aging Median SLR, the "Nightwatchmen" should prove an affordable system, readily bringing the wizardry of light amplification to the infantry squad level.

So the best thing about aiming low, is that you're more likely to get a crit hit and get surprised by something cool.  Skipping gen 0 IRNV for gen 1 "Starlight" Light Amp is a big leap, so we really should be leaning into that.

Also, if you've never seen gen 1 Starlight optics, they're huge and use an antiquated military radio battery that's inferior to a modern pair of double AA batteries.  (Milsurp ones are usually hacked to use AA's now.)
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Re: CWAR: UNSA Thread // Revision Phase // Warm Seasons 1947
« Reply #220 on: July 17, 2023, 02:33:56 pm »

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(1) C-47 "Carragan" Military Transport Plane: ConscriptFive
(1) "Nightwatchman" Median SLR Mod: ConscriptFive

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Re: CWAR: UNSA Thread // Revision Phase // Warm Seasons 1947
« Reply #221 on: July 19, 2023, 10:38:53 am »

Peacemaker Alpine Mod.
Marked with a dashed line, the alpine modification to the Peacemaker rockets involves faceting the "intake" face of the gravite plug, standardizing its capabilities at the minor cost of 20% reduction in efficiency. This allows the user to fire without worrying how the precise angle will effect lead and range, making the alpine mod. more useful in combat zones were such effects ot elevation are common. Of course, given the relative dearth of international funding, we've had to improvise to bring costs down. The boys in R&D are testing if similar alloy tweaking will bring down the cost of levisteel used in the tube and backpack, at least a tad.
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Re: CWAR: UNSA Thread // Revision Phase // Warm Seasons 1947
« Reply #222 on: July 19, 2023, 10:41:42 am »

UNSA Model 1947 "Lawmaker" Light Antitank Weapon
The Lawmaker was built to provide a disposable anti-armor punch to the common rifleman. A very short levisteel tube that snugly contains the same HEAT Rocket as the Peacemaker, though the motor has been tuned to a higher wattage, which results in it moving substantially faster (making calculating lead easier on the rifleman) at the cost of about 300m of effective range. Once fired, the tube can be tossed ( thankfully its internal width is smaller than most nades, at least the ones used by us or the reds) or kept and returned to an armorer for reloading (replacing not just the rocket, but the battery in the tube what primes it.)
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Re: CWAR: UNSA Thread // Revision Phase // Warm Seasons 1947
« Reply #223 on: August 02, 2023, 08:25:48 pm »

As I've mentioned before, I would much rather simply take another shot at the Skylorry than revise a more halfway transport solution that may be ultimately long-term a liability in terms of action economy. I did also want better/more available infantry gear.

Quote from: Revision Votebox
(1) C-47 "Carragan" Military Transport Plane: ConscriptFive
(2) "Nightwatchman" Median SLR Mod: ConscriptFive, Powder Miner
(1) UNSA Model 1947 "Lawmaker" Light Antitank Weapon: Powder Miner
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« Reply #224 on: August 03, 2023, 10:21:00 pm »


Quote from: Revision Votebox
(1) C-47 "Carragan" Military Transport Plane: ConscriptFive
(3) "Nightwatchman" Median SLR Mod: ConscriptFive, Powder Miner, Funk
(2) UNSA Model 1947 "Lawmaker" Light Antitank Weapon: Powder Miner, Funk
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Agree, plus that's about the LAST thing *I* want to see from this kind of game - author spending valuable development time on useless graphics.

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