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Author Topic: CWAR: SFS Thread // Revision Phase // Warm Seasons 1947  (Read 11288 times)

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Re: CWAR: SFS Thread // Design Phase // Autumn 1946
« Reply #105 on: February 14, 2023, 09:34:49 am »

Hopefully this option is satisfactory to everyone.
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Project ROCKET: ()
-Using Secret Project Credit: ()

Orange Dawn: (1) Lightforger
-Using Secret Project Credit: (1) Lightforger

Objekt 17: (1) NUKE9.13
-Using Secret Project Credit: (1) NUKE9.13

LDLS: (3) NUKE9.13, Lightforger, TricMagic
-Using Advantage Credit: (3) NUKE9.13, Lightforger, TricMagic
-Using Expense Credit: (3) NUKE9.13, Lightforger, TricMagic

Excitation Turbojet: (1) TricMagic
-Use Research Credit: (1) TricMagic
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Re: CWAR: SFS Thread // Design Phase // Autumn 1946
« Reply #106 on: February 14, 2023, 11:05:28 am »

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Project ROCKET: ()
-Using Secret Project Credit: ()

Orange Dawn: (1) Lightforger
-Using Secret Project Credit: (1) Lightforger

Objekt 17: (2) NUKE9.13, TricMagic
-Using Secret Project Credit: (2) NUKE9.13, TricMagic

LDLS: (3) NUKE9.13, Lightforger, TricMagic
-Using Advantage Credit: (3) NUKE9.13, Lightforger, TricMagic
-Using Expense Credit: (3) NUKE9.13, Lightforger, TricMagic

It is in fact satisfactory.
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Re: CWAR: SFS Thread // Design Phase // Autumn 1946
« Reply #107 on: February 14, 2023, 11:56:34 am »

Tesla-W is an ion engine by other means and firmly Theoretical. Even if this is another testbed design meant to produce little of direct value, ion engine is still a little bit more of a jump than other more conventional approaches.

The Flying Chimney is Very Hard in order to get the aspects of baby’s first cruise missile hammered out.
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Re: CWAR: SFS Thread // Design Phase // Autumn 1946
« Reply #108 on: February 14, 2023, 12:10:25 pm »

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Project ROCKET: ()
-Using Secret Project Credit: ()

Orange Dawn: (1) Lightforger
-Using Secret Project Credit: (1) Lightforger

Objekt 17: (3) NUKE9.13, TricMagic, D7
-Using Secret Project Credit: (3) NUKE9.13, TricMagic, D7

LDLS: (4) NUKE9.13, Lightforger, TricMagic, D7
-Using Advantage Credit: (4) NUKE9.13, Lightforger, TricMagic, D7
-Using Expense Credit: (4) NUKE9.13, Lightforger, TricMagic, D7

[I Voted!]

Also, note that I've edited Objekt 17/The Flying Chimney in response to the difficulty feedback, removing a line about rudimentary self-guidance.
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Re: CWAR: SFS Thread // Design Phase // Autumn 1946
« Reply #109 on: February 14, 2023, 05:19:15 pm »

Quote from: Botebox
Project ROCKET: ()
-Using Secret Project Credit: ()

Orange Dawn: (0)
-Using Secret Project Credit: (0)

Objekt 17: (4) NUKE9.13, TricMagic, D7, Lightforger
-Using Secret Project Credit: (4) NUKE9.13, TricMagic, D7, Lightforger

LDLS: (4) NUKE9.13, Lightforger, TricMagic, D7
-Using Advantage Credit: (4) NUKE9.13, Lightforger, TricMagic, D7
-Using Expense Credit: (4) NUKE9.13, Lightforger, TricMagic, D7
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CWAR: SFS Thread // Revision Phase // Autumn 1946
« Reply #110 on: February 18, 2023, 12:49:12 am »

Design Phase


Proposal: Objekt-17 - The Flying Chimney (Uses Secret Project Credit)
Difficulty: Normal
Result: 6+6=12, Unexpected Boon

The ramjet engine is not necessarily new in theory, but until now there has been no project that tested them out in practice.

A series of bunkers spread out over dozens of kilometers, decorated with observation equipment and connected by a gravel road, popped up seemingly overnight in the Oxian Altina Steppe (once a couple of small villages were "relocated" due to "environmental hazards"). A series of hangars and an airfield marked the base of operations for the Aerospace Propulsion and Flight Test Facility.

The first ramjet engine produced for testing looked like a steel cylinder with a borehole driven through it lengthwise. The hole was lined with gavrilium-cerium alloy rods, which were themselves attached to an integrated GGPRO engine with an intermediary dynamo for converting the GGPRO's output to electrical energy. The rods turned out to be impressive on their own - seemingly resistant to warping from temperature changes  It didn't really work, but failure does not stop the march of progress, and in spite of some early setbacks in design and experimentation (including a yak herder wandering onto the flight range and having an animal crushed by the descending test aircraft - don't worry, this situation was handled) the SFS was able to produce a remarkable device and equally remarkable experiment.

The Objekt-17 engine in its final form has a nosecone to compress air as it is forced through the engine. Midway through the engine is the heating chamber and GC Rod assembly, which rapidly heats and expands the air passing by the rods to produce thrust. The entire engine resembles a smooth metal cigar, and for the final test/display for select State officials, was attached to a small mock aircraft that existed to provide stability in flight for the engine. The APFTF also modified a number of Li-4s for their task, replacing the bomb rack with a claw not entirely dissimilar to a loading crane's and remodeling the bay to house one of the small aircraft (although the hatch protruded out of the belly of the plane slightly, resembling a pouch or blister).

Due to the nature of the test, one team of observers got to witness and document a modified Li-4 release Objekt-17, powered just before release and rapidly pulling away from the mother craft once the clamp was released. The engine was designed to continue to accelerate until it ran out of fuel or fell apart, and the latter was avoided thanks to careful measurement of fuel and extensive testing on the endurance of the engine and the attached test frame. The sonic boom shocked the observers as the aircraft broke the sound barrier...and continued to speed up.

Observation bunkers measured the Objekt-17 at speeds of 4000km/h before the main engine cut off once fuel ran out. This is of course when the secondary "emergency" tank began to pump GG into the GGPRO, providing a bare minimum of power necessary to keep the aircraft level and airborne.

The second team of observers waited at the Recovery Point where the test was supposed to end. They got to witness as the Objekt-17 held steady in flight at a relatively low speed and, as it neared, a second modified Li-4 lazily swooped in from above and slowed until it matched speed. The bay opened, the claw came down, and it secured Object-17 until the last of its secondary tank burned out so that it could be properly stowed within the aircraft.

When asked why they didn't just let it parachute to the ground, one of the researchers asked if the officer would have preferred to be cradled by their mother or held by the ankle and dropped onto the floor.

While extremely fuel efficient, the Objekt-17 still uses a significant amount of Gavrilium in its construction. Use of the Objekt-17 will see relatively high Gavrilium and Ore cost, but provides incredibly high top speeds in a very reliable package. Any upgrades or enhancements not directly tied to the Objekt-17 (such as the modified Li-4s) will not be added to the armory, but production of similar equipment will be a little easier.


Proposal: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics (Uses Advantage and Expense Credits)
Difficulty: Hard
Result: (6+1) (6+5)-1=10, Superior

The Federal Intelligence Center is a concrete structure ringed by a tall black fence, imposing even among the other concrete buildings recently put up in the Old City (thanks in large part to the armed guards). Within the building are a number of various offices and departments responsible for working alongside SFS intelligence services in one way or another. Beneath those offices resides the Counterfactual Narrative Division.

The basement-dwelling CND uses the SFS intelligence network to gather basic information on potential obstacles to or enemies of the state. Using their name, likeness, and some easily gleaned facts (mother's maiden name, first pet, name of their high school, etc.), some of the most devious creative minds within the Federation can weave tales that'd embarrass, disrupt, or "incentivize" targeted persons. While the goals for manipulation aren't necessarily in the CND's purview, they can provide "evidence" of their claims for operatives to use as they see fit. Photos and "official" documentation are doctored by professional artists and reformed convicts with histories of forgery. Even video can be spliced and altered to tell alternative truths, and voice actors and impersonators utilized to make "authentic" recordings of phone calls and the like.

While plenty of "dirt" is available to the CND, limited only by their imagination, crafting a bulletproof story requires a hefty amount of time and effort. As a result, the FIC: CND costs 6 Wood and would make it (VERY EXPENSIVE), but due to the shuffling of a significant amount of funds, is effectively (EXPENSIVE).


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It is now the Revision Phase. You have two actions to work with. Good luck!

Spoiler: SFS Armory (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Resources (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Resource Nodes (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Harren PoIs (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Credits (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: World Map (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Islands Map (click to show/hide)
TURNTURNTURN
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Re: CWAR: SFS Thread // Revision Phase // Autumn 1946
« Reply #111 on: February 18, 2023, 08:54:55 am »

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Objekt-18 - The New Star:
With Objekt-17 proving extremely effective and reliable, the team responsible was chided for not being ambitious enough. The revolution must go forwards in great leaps, not small steps!

The testing schedule for Objekt-18 has thus been pushed up. There are two main differences between -17 and -18: Objekt-18 is designed to nose up shortly after release, rapidly gaining in altitude; and towards the end of its burn (having reached an altitude of 25km, essentially invisible to the naked eye), liquid hydrogen is fed into the engine from a small tank.
The liquid hydrogen, once injected into the engine, will naturally change from a dense liquid into an extremely rapidly expanding gas. This supplements the atmospheric gas forced into the engine through the intake cone, giving Objekt-18 a powerful boost. The hydrogen tank lasts only a few seconds, but those few seconds should see Objekt-18 attain truly incomprehensible speeds. There's also that thing that hot hydrogen does in combination with oxygen (though the atmosphere will be much thinner at Objekt-18's altitude, there will still be enough oxygen being forced through the engine to cause combustion)- while the vehicle itself will not be visible, some anticipate that the burst of flame will be- a new star, visible in daylight (though only in the depths of the steppe, and only for a few seconds, so no risk of people asking questions about it).
There is no realistic way of catching Objekt-18 in mid-air. Once the burn finishes the engine will cut off, and it will gradually lose speed, eventually falling back to earth. A drogue parachute will deploy once it starts to descend, and a larger parachute will open at a lower altitude.

The goal of Objekt-18 is to reach an altitude of 40km, but mainly to serve as a proof-of-concept for liquid-hydrogen reaction-mass-injection.
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Re: CWAR: SFS Thread // Revision Phase // Autumn 1946
« Reply #112 on: February 18, 2023, 03:33:55 pm »

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Objekt-7s - The Leading Wave:
The success with Objekt 17 has spawned a side project for the production of water jet engines. Thoguh the use of the fuel rods, steam can be produced within a jet's nozzle. Water goes in, is turned to steam, and explodes. Wait, that's not right..

Well, there are some obvious flaws. This can be solved by designing with pressurized air in mind, using tanks to pump it in to create bubbles. Water that enters through the front nozzle is dynamically pressurized as it slows, bubbles by the pumped-in air, then meets the heating element as the nozzle moves inward to explode out the back in a high-pressure stream to provide tremendous thrust.(While notably not exploding the engine thanks to not being wholly water.) It requires no moving parts, just gavrilium-cerium alloy built in near the nozzle's back and air tanks that can be refilled on the surface, or use liquid gas. And a GGPRO turbine to provide the electricity needed. This turbine also provides a method of control, able to choose how much heat the rods output and so how fast the submarine would theoretically go.

Testing is currently done in an artificial tow pool, the engine firmly bolted down to an overhanging arm before each test and the turbine providing power from wires. This allows for safe testing in a control room in case of explosions, determining flow rates, and refinement of the jet engine for the best shape once we move to designing a submarine or boat that can make use of it.

It has been noted that through an expansion of the size of the nozzle to diffuse water, followed by contraction at the end, air pumped in creates force though a bubble jet. While not as strong as when the GC Alloy is powered, it provides a high range of speeds and control.

Being honest, can't write this well. I try though, just too caught up in schematics of it..
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Re: CWAR: SFS Thread // Revision Phase // Autumn 1946
« Reply #113 on: February 19, 2023, 03:09:06 pm »

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Pesnya Radio:
The revolution might not be televised- but it will definitely be on the radio.

Applying the tech used in the GITGUD to more conventional radio, the Pesnya offers a public use for Gavrilium Evaluators. A consumer product, the Pesnya's hook is that it is easily portable- it won't fit in one's pocket, but it doesn't need a large backpack either ((this is what a 'portable' radio was like in this time period)). The reduced size compared to vacuum-tube radio is thanks to two factors: one, Evaluators are less bulky than vacuum tubes; two, Evaluators need less power, and thus do not require a massive battery (only a smallish one).
Now, why are we devoting resources to making a civilian radio? Several reasons:
-It provides cover for further Evaluator development; less curious questions about what the electronics industry is using all that Gavrilium for.
-The Pesnya can, with minor modifications, be used for military purposes as well (not that we have any of those at the moment).
-And... the Pesnya is hardwired to only pick up official Federal frequencies. There are several channels- all sorts of music and entertainment, educational broadcasts, and most importantly news (both on a dedicated channel, and interspersed in the other channels). The true news, not the garbage put out by Northern propagandists. By selling the Pesnya to distributers across the wall, we have an opportunity to get our message- that is, the true message- into the ears of citizens in the northern half of Harren City (and reduce the temptations for citizens in the southern half to tune into UNSA's fictions). This will make the populace more receptive to us, less likely to turn on our agents.
For reference, the first commercial transistor radio was the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regency_TR-1
It was released in 1954, though, after transistors had been in development for several years. The Pesnya is likely to be a bit bigger and heavier.
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Re: CWAR: SFS Thread // Revision Phase // Autumn 1946
« Reply #114 on: February 19, 2023, 08:34:50 pm »

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Lizing Li-GG-AP Endurance Cargo Plane

While our current Lizing Li-GG is a marvel of engineering, taking full advantage of its remarkable ability is difficult due to pilot fatigue.

The key change is the addition of a gyroscopic autopilot. This system lets the pilot lock in an attitude and heading and using a set of gyroscopes the plane will try to maintain it. Lucky for our time strapped engineers a large amount of drift overtime is acceptable. After all, adjusting the autopilot every 15-30 minutes is still a large improvement compared to manually flying the plane.
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Re: CWAR: SFS Thread // Revision Phase // Autumn 1946
« Reply #115 on: February 20, 2023, 12:24:19 am »

Objekt-18 is Very Hard, being a continuation of the Objekt-17 project with some significant bells and whistles being added (like everything beyond the engine). It will benefit from the Classified status of Objekt-17 as it is clearly an advancement of that same project.

Objekt-7s is Very Hard as well. While it doesn't need to deal with the complications born from stepping into rocketry, it is a significant reworking of the principles you've laid out with the Objekt-17 project. It will not receive Classified status from Objekt-17 as it is the creation of a different product and not utilizing the engine directly.

Pesnya's Theoretical, maybe even Ludicrous. Not because of the radio, that'd be more of a normal task to accomplish. The major issue is getting a moderately hostile alliance to allow the trade and sale of devices that only pick up their enemy's streams of crap within their borders to their own civilians. Pulling that off is quite the task.

Revising a basic gyroscopic autopilot onto your plane is going to be Very Easy. It's gyroscopes to help fly along a general heading and altitude, this isn't something that's overly difficult, it just hasn't been attempted by anyone in the setting. Note that the previous mention of an autopilot was more difficult because it also included the creation of a fly-by-wire system as well as the development of the ramjet engine, making it quite a bite to chew at once.
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Re: CWAR: SFS Thread // Revision Phase // Autumn 1946
« Reply #116 on: February 20, 2023, 11:10:46 am »

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No.4 Smoke Grenade:
We have smoke shells, we have grenades. Why don't we have smoke grenades?

A No.4 Smoke Grenade is what it says on the tin. Has the trigger mechanism of the No.3, but instead of exploding, it releases a billowing cloud of dense white smoke. A non-lethal way to create a distraction, disorient enemy forces, or obscure a retreat.
(I suggested this as a revision t1, and it was reviewed as Easy)

Selicate can into space. Eventually.
I don't want to do the water ramjet yet, though it's worth considering for later. The autopilot seems overly trivial, with no immediate applications. I can't think of anything better to do than this smoke grenade, but would welcome more suggestions.
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Re: CWAR: SFS Thread // Revision Phase // Autumn 1946
« Reply #117 on: February 20, 2023, 01:46:35 pm »

GGPRO Vehicles
Progress marches on. The SFS have requisitioned a number of off-road trucks and other vehicles for a number of roles, from prospecting jobs, cargo transport, or transport services for our countrymen and soldiers. All powered by GGPRO. It's not much, but it's important to have a way to supply those on the ground without needing to use a plane, and getting around in good time.

Smoke and Mirrors
The Circus have taken to using pyrotechnical smoke during their shows as distraction or to add a bit of awe. These smoke grenades happen to find themselves being used for distractions to cause false fires, clearing buildings, or to help with quick escapes for those who almost get caught, and they can release a lot from their cannisters. Or be kept at a smaller release rate. These smoke grenades will be useful for cover during firefights as well.

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No.4 Smoke Grenade: (1) NUKE9.13
Objekt-7s - The Leading Wave: (1) TricMagic
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Re: CWAR: SFS Thread // Revision Phase // Autumn 1946
« Reply #118 on: February 22, 2023, 09:59:50 am »

Smoke grenade remains Easy since there hasn’t been much done to related fields, unless you plan on slapping a ramjet onto it.

GGPRO Vehicles is Normal. If you’re going to revise generic “vehicles” into your army from an engine you’re going to get a generic difficulty and see generic results.

Smoke and Mirrors is just the smoke grenades. The only actual difference between the proposals is a toggleable release rate, which is negligible.
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Re: CWAR: SFS Thread // Revision Phase // Autumn 1946
« Reply #119 on: February 22, 2023, 10:09:12 am »

You know what, we'll want GGPRO vehicles at some point anyway. It shouldn't be very provocative to improve our logistics, and it'd make developing a more militant ground vehicle later slightly easier.
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