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[EuchreJack]

^Valid question

[webadict]

Great, come to back to web voting me. Let me get a simple question out


What is your reason for voting me? Because I said my power finally got fixed? Please Web, elaborate to us lowly peons your reasoning for your well placed vote on me.

Because you haven't done anything.  You've just given excuses.  Even this post is just an excuse on why you haven't done anything.

[EuchreJack]

Oh, but he's getting a reaction out of you, at least...

[webadict]

Oh, but he's getting a reaction out of you, at least...

Knightwing can do better than the absolute minimum.

[Knightwing64]

I…..

Gave a excuse because I wanted to explain why I hadn’t been saying anything instead of just disappearing off the earth?

What have you done, Webadict? What have you done in this game? what have you contributed, that gives you the right to try and get me lynched because my level of posting hasn’t reached your made up quota because of something completely out of my control?

[ToonyMan]

Knightwing, what are you doing?

[Knightwing64]

Being angry

[Knightwing64]

Also trying not to get lynched

[hector13]

Also a valid question. You surely cannot be happy with your contribution so far KW, why are you surprised that nobody else is?

NQT claimed to me also, for… well I was going to say full disclosure but it’s not my information to give up, so… for the record I guess.

What are we going to do about Vector? Will they get modkilled at some point on D2 if we don’t find a replacement?

[Knightwing64]

I haven’t been participating as much as I would like, but webadict trying to vote me for that is ridiculous.

[webadict]

I…..

Gave a excuse because I wanted to explain why I hadn’t been saying anything instead of just disappearing off the earth?

What have you done, Webadict? What have you done in this game? what have you contributed, that gives you the right to try and get me lynched because my level of posting hasn’t reached your made up quota because of something completely out of my control?

It's not the quantity that you post.  It's the quality.  You can use your time to post anything, like that someone is scummy or "I don't agree with this."  Your remarks aren't there.  Instead, you're posting that you can't post and that voting you is mean, but... I mean, what have you commented on?  That feels like activelurking to me.

So, just comment on a few things, man.  You got this!  You don't need to waste message space on me, but just undersrand that I'm either telling the truth or I'm not.

Do you think it's the truth?  Do you think I have reason to go after you?  Just comment on the situations.

[webadict]

If you like, I can get all my posts in one place and you can look through them and make a nice little post on what you find scummy and not scummy!  Then, you'd be taking what I said and negating my case.  It'd be harder for me to push it without being like "Well, he only did that because I pushed him!" which would be pretty scummy for me to do!  It's a win-win for you, Knightwing, since it reduces the burden on you.

Would that help?

[ToonyMan]

I have two assignments for you Knightwing:

1. Read Day 1 of Demon Mafia, how did you behave in that game? Why is your behavior right now suspicious?

I will let past town!NQT give you a hint:

KW, dude, people think you're suspicious because you post 100% reactively. Defense is losing play, it helps no one, not even yourself. If you're town, place a vote on who you think is scum and give some reasons.

2. Give everyone here a "town confidence percentage".

I will share you an example of mine...

Town Confidence
Tric - 80%
Jack - 80%
Jim - 75%
Hector - 60%
Web - 60%
Knightwing - 55%
Max - 55%
FoU - 50%
NQT - 50%
Vector - unknown%

[webadict]

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You can PM.  That shit's broken, check this out.

Yeah, I'll go first.

Also, while I'm totally down to clown on the clown, let's hold off on the (obviously correct) TricMagic vote for a... day?  Sure, like a fucking day, and then just hop back on that wagon.

Ignore the hammer note, this game doesn't have hammers TO SPITE ME.

Explain why it's sus to you.  Because it's the exact opposite to me for the exact reason you posted.

Also, you can do better than voting me and we both know it.

But I did the exact opposite of approve that strategy.  Quarantine and I kill you.

I think Knightwing is scum.

Because he's not accidentally making himself not scum.

Also, yes, for not voting TricMagic.  I say this knowing full well that I am also not voting TricMagic.

Why are you not scum?

Who is scum?

Yeah, but everyone already knows Jack is Town.

Man...  You're like 3 steps behind, Toony!  If you ain't PMing now, you're not utilizing the best tool in the game.  hector13 just wants to be part of the action.

If you just permanently protect me, I will win.  So, just do that.  It's probably even in your best interest because I'm Town!

Do everything I say and things will work out for me.

This is Babby's First Plan if you are a coward.  Technically correct, but in a way that relies on you using your brain later in the game to find scum and not using it to protect a high priority target.

Safe but impractical.  Whereas I am bold and innovative with a rich aftertaste!

Wow, Web is definitely a name!

Also, don't worry about Max this game.  He's definitely Town.  He hasn't performed his signature scumtell.

I refuse to explain.

TricMagic

Ah, but that doesn't make me scum.

Self-centered?  Everything I do is for the Town.  I think it just looks self-centered to you because you're not looking at what I'm looking at.  Also because I'm Town, so everything I do is inherently for me.

Uh, yeah, Tric is Mafia, so I'm gonna vote for him.

Unironically true, since I've got a 100% Town win rate as Mafia-ally, and around a 90% win rate as Town.

Oh, wait, I forgot the one game where I was Mafia-Ally and the SK won, so there is that.

    webadict
    FallacyofUrist
    ToonyMan
    notquitethere
    Maximum Spin
    Knightwing64
    Vector
    Jim Groovester
    hector13
    TricMagic
    EuchreJack

Of these, I've grouped them into categories.  For simplicity, I'll remove myself, but you'll have to accept that I'm obviously a Human.  A rather Kooky one, but Human nonetheless.

EuchreJack is 100%(!) Human.  I don't really see any reason to believe otherwise, given his claim.  He's also extremely concerned about his life, to the point where he privately asked me for items when I claimed to him.  There is no reason not to pocket him in this game.  He's not really aware of the strength of an Enchanter, and he spewed Town easily.

Surprisingly, Jim Groovester is 80% Human, if you can believe such a statement.  I'd actually put him higher, but I usually scum read him, and he hasn't posted more, yet.  However, I actually don't see him with the same type of play as last game.  Am I wrong?  No idea.

Maximum Spin is 85% Human.  I don't really feel the need to defend this one, because it doesn't really matter.

FallacyofUrist is probably not scum.  I'm not sure why I feel like that, but I don't see it as likely.  Maybe like 60% Human.

I don't really see you being a Dopp here hector13, because you think I'm voting TricMagic as a policylynch as opposed to something entirely different.  I like that, it makes it easier to read you.  I think if you were scum, you wouldn't have jumped on the wagon in the first place if you intended to go after people on the wagon.  Just a gut feeling.

ToonyMan is suspect, but I'm not sure he's scum yet.  Looking at his scumreads, they don't seem too far off for what I'd expect out of Town Toony.  He was right to pocket EuchreJack, but I believe his read of Knightwing is too early to tell.  I actually only suspect him out of necessity.  Voting him is entirely out of the question, if only because he acts as a great person to throw ideas off of, scum or Town.  However, because it's Toony, I'll assume that my read on Knightwing might be wrong.

notquitethere is not a Dopp.  Or maybe he is, but he's not, so it doesn't really matter.  Why?  I dunno, I can't really read him.  Just gives me some Jade Court feelings, where I suspect him a bit, but I think that's just the healthy amount of suspicion and not really substantiated.

Knightwing... I don't like Knightwing here, but I think they don't realize what they're doing wrong IS wrong, plus I'm just using ToonyMan as a reason for them to be Town.  Regardless, I can be sure that Maximum Spin and Knightwing are not w/w, but that doesn't really matter, given that I don't see Max as a wolf.

Vector is actually a possible vote here.  Which is sad, but given how every game goes with them, I'm not on their team, which means they're scum.  Oooookay, technically I think that Vector has a tendency to reveal themselves as scum around Day 2 accidentally, but I definitely see them being scum here as a probable.  Maybe like 70% Dopp.

Aaaaand TricMagic.  I definitely think that TricMagic is likely to be scum.  I do not trust him because he seems too calm in this instance.  Also, he knows too much.  I feel like he would normally be going after ToonyMan or someone else if he was Human, especially given his tendency to OMGUS.

Anyway, that's my reasoning.

@FoU:  You think it's hector?  I dunno.  It doesn't feel correct.

@Max:  I'll PM you, but I wasn't sure if you were scum or not, and then Tric ruined it.

@Euchre: I am down to vote Vector, but I want more posts from them first.

@hector:  Maybe.  I'll think about it.

Given what I know of Meph games, unlikely.

Yeah, no offense, Euchre, but protecting you is the wrong move here.  Mostly because if you're being attacked by the Dopps, then the Investigative roles aren't.  Your double vote is... Not as powerful as you think it is, but don't overthink that.

Vector is a possible vote here, since TricMagic is apparently now using his brain while playing.

No, it's not a scumslip.  Jack just isn't a priority for the scumteam.

I'm gonnnnnnnaaaaaaaa saaaaaay... Vector + Knightwing + ... Toony???  Is that the team?

Hm.

Nah, it's probably not Toony.

But, then it's gotta be notquitethere?

Honestly, I was debating NOT claiming it because I figured it'd make a good way to catch a fakeclaim, but I realized that was probably a bad idea because it's far more likely to screw me over.  So, totally fair to question me on that.

As for why I don't think it's hector, my thought was that he seemed rather active and that he was initially on the TricMagic bandwagon, which seemed like a really bad idea to do if you're going to use that as a reasoning to go after me, but on a reconsider, I'm less sure.  I'm far more willing to say FoU is Town, and his suspicions of hector13 might be founded.  There's not as much substance in hector's posts compared to what I had mentally envisioned, and thinking about his change in stance did remind me of Maximum Spin's shift last game, though it's probably more fair to say that his initial attitude is too reminiscent of myself in Fallacy's BYOR, for whatever merit that holds.

I could see a Vector + Knightwing + hector team as a possibility.

I see Knightwing as scum here because of his posting style, as well as his lack of substantial posts.  Not really a fan of it, but it feels different than last game, especially as he said "Why?" when I called him scum, which is just really... scummy.  I know that sounds reasonable, but it's something that always dings my scumdar.

Wow, dude, are you calling me a liar?  That's really hurtful that you think that I always lie, instead of just mostly lie.

Yeah, I totally get it.  It won't bother me none to suspect me, but I'm pretty sure I'll be trusted regardless!

I will note that I've been a Kook before, AND I've fakeclaimed Kook before, both of which I did in the first post of each game.  These were done when my feelings on it were that you're supposed to claim in the first post, but I've started to wonder if it's possible to catch fakeclaim cops.  Buuuut, I think that sometimes, doing the things that I do has cost-benefit analyses that don't seem worth it in the future, so I'm want to change my mind.

That's... only partially true.  I think that Miller claims should decrease the claimers trust, after all, as they are almost always done by Town right now.  Only THREE people have ever fakeclaimed Miller on these forums, and I'd really like that to increase!

Leafsnail, a really long time ago.

That's right, not even TOONY has fakeclaimed Miller!

That list is starting to look right, Euchre.

Who do we vote from within those bottom three?

Psh, you think that's creepy?  You ain't seen nothing, yet.  I'm in the codebase, hacking the planet!  I've got 15 pies and 80 fingers!

Anyway, I'm already voting Vector, so nbd there.

I changed my mind on hector.  I think he's probably scum now.  Mostly because I'm far more positive that FoU is Town, and I have no reason not to believe that what FoU is saying has no merits.  Besides, hector can be investigated and found out, now can't he?

Anything else?

I will note that you haven't really settled on someone as particularly scummy, and I'm not sure that's a fair beat from you, unless you're stating that I am, indeed, scummy from that list.  There isn't really anything substantial in your accusation of me, but if it makes you feel better, I've already located members of the Town as investigative roles, and I've told them to investigate you and hector, so if that scares you in any way, please feel free to murder me during the Night so that I can no longer coordinate the Town.

FoU seems to think that he's fairly scummy, so I'm just gonna bet on that for now.  FoU seems to get misread as scum a lot, but I just feel like he's probably Town here.

I, too, can attest that Vector probably has no power, but... I think making a team out of the remainder here is hard without Vector.  Not impossible, mind you, but difficult.

While I'm not against voting Knightwing, I'd rather vote NQT or Vector.  Maybe even hector for that last post, but he's putting in some effort, so I don't want to yeeeet.

Also, I've been voted out Day 1 before!  I had to Daykill ToonyMan before he posted, and it was barely worth the loss, but it happened!

Eh, fine, NQT.  Jack simping, here I goooooo!

You posted, but I had submitted the kill before you did.

If you think NQT is his partner, why not vote out NQT first, and then FoU?

They can go after Vector instead?  I don't really see the problem.

Well, that's really kind of you to think so generously about people I'm coordinating when you believe I'm likely to be scum.

Is that so?  I don't see that, but perhaps you have biases that I don't understand.  Why do you not suspect NQT?  How does your read of KW differ from Vector?

I don't agree on FoU, Jim, or Max.  Jim, because Kook.  Max because he's not scumtelling.  And, FoU because he seems like he's putting in thought to his reads, and he usually acts a bit wilder as scum.

I would PM you, but I think you're scum, so I don't see how that would benefit me.  If you decided to PM other people, you'd be getting more PMs, so there is that.  Just do what I do and claim to random people you think are Town.

Which game was that?  The only game I recall with a Knightwing SK win was with Knightwing being Town.

I'm with Toony on this one...  This feels like a really big grasp at straws...

Correct.  NQT's list may have been ordered, but his list has no actual suspicions on it.

This kinda maps to what hector was saying, in that hector claimed FoU has too many nulls... But NQT's list feels exactly the same, and hector seemed to find no issue with this until pressed.  Look at hector's list changes as they go, where NQT isn't mentioned (being null, I assume) to being in his PoE.

I really feel like there is high coordination between NQT and hector this game.  It feels highly w/w.

I'm in agreement that hector looks the best out of the two of them, but they feel pretty entangled to me.  hector seems excusable, so I'm totally fine not voting him out, since he's already got things going, but NQT doesn't appear to have the same excuse, and I find it odd that we have Knightwing up to vote here, and you're not doing much to stop it, Toony.  I feel like you kinda have a prerogative to step up and start directing people if you think Knightwing is Town.

Do you think Knightwing is Town?

I think NQT is a Dopp here, and I think there's some attempts to move that attention on NQT elsewhere.  I have no idea why Tric is trying to go after FoU, but I don't see who could possibly be on FoU's team if he's scum unless there's an active hit job by at least one of his teammates.

It's... literally not about the game except the PM part?  So yes?  I don't understand the issue.  That's not exactly game relevant information.  There's nothing inherently incriminating from either party in it that would point to the other as scum for doing that.

I actually think you should think of this differently.  FoU has rarely played Town in his many games.  He's not actually that great at Town.  You're putting an onus on him that seems to be far weightier than expected.  Not that I don't disagree that he's experienced, or that he should be better, but I kinda don't expect him to.  Is that fair?  I dunno.  But, it's how I feel.  It's why I think you're wrong.

Are you guys having a weird fight?

Alright, maybe hector's in the up-and-up...  I'm willing to say he's probably Town.

How sure are you on Knightwing?

I'd vote Knightwing for this.

Fallacy, please stop.  What you're doing isn't going to garner support, it's just going to make you look bad.

Please reconsider your point of attack before continuing.

Italics - I trust these votes, as they appear to be made in good faith.
Bold - I do not trust these votes, as they appear to be made haphazardly.
Deleted - I do not trust these votes, as they are bizarre.

The remainders are different.  Toony going after Vector implies that he doesn't see anyone scummier than no one, which implies that there is experienced or low-lying scum, especially given that one of his targets (FoU) is high on the chopping block.  notquitethere voting for Knightwing is just kinda a whatever vote, given that he doesn't have hard suspicions, and thus Knightwing being a viable vote isn't particularly noteworthy to me, but it is a little lazy...

CONSOLIDATION OF VOTES, PEOPLE.  We've got 7 hours before Day end, so I'd like people to start making up their minds.

NQT, would you be willing to claim to EuchreJack, Max, me, or publicly?  I'd say Jim, but Jim is a blabbermouth, and I don't want him telling ToonyMan right now.

In that case, I will vote Knightwing64, like Max was saying.

Because you haven't done anything.  You've just given excuses.  Even this post is just an excuse on why you haven't done anything.

Knightwing can do better than the absolute minimum.

It's not the quantity that you post.  It's the quality.  You can use your time to post anything, like that someone is scummy or "I don't agree with this."  Your remarks aren't there.  Instead, you're posting that you can't post and that voting you is mean, but... I mean, what have you commented on?  That feels like activelurking to me.

So, just comment on a few things, man.  You got this!  You don't need to waste message space on me, but just undersrand that I'm either telling the truth or I'm not.

Do you think it's the truth?  Do you think I have reason to go after you?  Just comment on the situations.

If you like, I can get all my posts in one place and you can look through them and make a nice little post on what you find scummy and not scummy!  Then, you'd be taking what I said and negating my case.  It'd be harder for me to push it without being like "Well, he only did that because I pushed him!" which would be pretty scummy for me to do!  It's a win-win for you, Knightwing, since it reduces the burden on you.

Would that help?

[Maximum Spin]

I'm going to do something I hardly ever do and unvote.

I still think notquitethere has that oily, sort of glib quality I expect from him as scum (and saw, for example, in webadict's Supernatural). I still think Knightwing has said nothing useful, which is his scumtell. I still think Fallacy is being pretentious to cover for having no meaningful reads. But since people are now badgering Knightwing to defend himself, I'll just wait and take more time to hear everyone out.

ToonyMan... am I really that far down on your list? Are you sad I didn't PM you? :(