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[Man of Paper]

Are you saying my opinion counts for less based on the games I play?

Didn’t you start a whole shitstorm railing against that without evidence of it occurring? Crazy, bro.

I’ve made legitimate statements aplenty, you keep bringing up your personal history and using it as a basis for your decisions. How is it not connected when you literally do it yourself? I’m not saying you need to disconnect and get help from a professional because I think it’s fun. You’re literally putting it out there using unresolved issues to excuse your actions.

You should resolve those issues somewhere that isn’t publicly on a forum game subforum. Hell at the very least there’s a whole life advice section you could try to use if you just want to pretend to do something to improve yourself.

[RoseHeart]

This game makes less since now than it did when we started.

Thanks for letting me know.

I haven't changed the game significantly in 11 days (since Oct 26), or at all for 8 days (since Oct 29, for clarifications).

There was a lot added to the game going from past Platoon gameplay. All things that kept me creatively invested. And all things that needed lots of tweaking during the session to run properly.

But if your main issue is just the changes since we started, here's a breakdown of why every single change I made was absolutely necessary:

Spoiler: I really would like to know which of these any players think I could take out. (click to show/hide)

    • 3.0.4.3: Engineers can't 'vent' into/out-of Outside Spaces.

Outside spaces are 3 spaces long as opposed to the surrounding being 5 spaces long. There needed to be a rule about this, as they don't line up!

    • 3.0.5.3: Added rule incase of 'spawn blocking' by afk players.
    • 3.0.6.4: Removed wall slots from in-front of teleporters. Too much to gain for too little cost.

These were needed to allow 5+ player to function.

    • 3.0.5.4: Added statement that you get to make 2 units before claiming any armories.

This was needed as since it was missing, it was implied you cannot make any units!

    • 3.0.6.5: Any number of Cheetah Players may register the same Hippo Player.

There needed to be a clarification if you can register multiple or not, as NQT asked. But the intention was always that you can.

    • 3.0.7.5: Hurt is an Action: All formerly 'Once per Unit' actions are now also 1AP.

This was needed to make the game scale better at larger unit counts. (It also makes the game more intuitive for new players.)

    • 3.1.7.5: Extra Turns: Additional turns can now be taken by Cheetah and Hippo players, borrowing AP from their next turn in increments of 2.
    • 3.1.8.5: You can now build 1 beacon for every armory you own, which now gives +2AP. Supplemental to Extra Turns update.

The goal of this session was to allow daily and hourly turns to coexist. This update was needed to allow hourly turns to more faithfully fit their name.
(I didn't see any reason to add an exception for daily turns to not be able to take them aswell.)

    • 3.1.8.6: The Extra Turn requirement, that only one unit may be used, does not apply to Soldiers following with the Marching Ability.

This was needed for Extra Turns and the marching ability to coexist, the lack of making ETs inferior for no reason.

    • 3.1.8.7: Beacons and Armories are solid, you cannot move onto them.

There needed to be a clarification if you can move onto these or not, as NQT asked. But the intention was always that you cannot.

But regardless of the necessity of it, it was a lot of change, so I understand the confusion.

The most important are:
    • 1 beacon can be made for each door, rather than for every 2 doors.
    • 1 beacon grants +2AP instead of +1AP.
    • Extra Turns: You can borrow AP from the next turn to move a unit, which is then "frozen".

Otherwise your understanding of the rules from whenever you read them should be sufficient for the game we are playing right now. There was a LOT changed from past game mechanics, so that may be the "new stuff" that's giving you the most trouble. Not so much my updates.

[RoseHeart]

the beacon mechanic which the game now rests around is built around first leaving an engineer idle for a turn, and then not playing for an entire turn. Neither of which is particularly interesting to watch or play.

I guess I'll be skipping my next turn so I can get this beacon thing going.

Let's change it.

Proposal: "Quick Start"
Opening a beacon costs 2AP.
- you do not get the extra AP the turn you opened it.*
- you can't open a beacon the turn it was placed.
- you can't open other beacons the same turn.
- you can't open a beacon as part of an Extra Turn.
(Time-based delay removed from opening beacons.)

Reason: Skip the boring part for new players.

I know NQT likes to plan things out ahead, and this may/will mess with that, so I understand if it's a no go. This can be saved for next time.

Edit: Made some revisions.

Edit2: Removed some vestigial components to the Reason section.

Note: I do not see proposals as adding to the "too many changes" concern, as they require unanimous support to be added, and are otherwise just an idea for discussion.

*Note2: NQT already rejected it, but this proposal has an error, it would need to either allow the 2AP gained to count or cost 0AP, as the point was to allow a unit to move on the setup of the first beacon. The strikethrough corrects this error for posterity.

[RoseHeart]

(Oops, posted turn here. Removed.)

[Man of Paper]

Take note of all the effort put into validating his own decisions instead of actually listening to what people are saying, as noted by his defense of himself not making any changes in however many days after withdrawing one proposal and immediately making another.

Also note the line in his first post implying it is the players, not his changes, that are the problem. I say implying, but it seems a bit more implicit than that. But he also doesn’t somehow realize the “new stuff” and his “updates” are intrinsically tied together and the same thing somehow?


Roseheart, when an outside observer has comments on your game that’s one thing. But when all your players make the same complaints (to the point where one has quit and another seems very close to their own limit) then maybe the players aren’t the ones having the skill issue.

[notquitethere]

Regarding the new proposal, I can see the rationale, and I think costing some action points feels better than just disappearing for a day, even if it amounts to much the same. The change though actually benefits players who already have a beacon (as skipping a day is a bigger deal when you have 4 or 6 ap compared to 2). In that sense, the day-skipping might be sort of a catch-up mechanism.

Either way, my preference is to see how it plays out with the current rules.

[RoseHeart]

Hmm, those are some good counterpoints. Considering the (intended) snowball nature of beacons, that benefit isn't necessarily bad. It may still be a hump not only for Zultan next turn, but anyone who's last beacon is busted. If there is interest from everyone to revisit this later, perhaps a version that only allows 2AP to be spent additionally to opening a beacon would address NQTs concerns.

[King Zultan]

Doesn't opening the beacon costing 2AP still mean you basically skip a turn?

This game makes less since now than it did when we started.

Thanks for letting me know.

The extra turn thing was what I was talking about, not sure why we need such a feature on a once a day game.

Most of the posts in the OCC are Paper and I discussing my personal shortcomings (accurate or otherwise) rather than Platoon

I haven't noticed that, from what I read his criticisms are about the game.

[RoseHeart]

He is not in this game, and he has zero reason to be harassing me about any changes I'm making to how the game works or how often it updates.

[RoseHeart]

I'd be ok with reinstating this as more than a playtest (and allowing the winner to choose a prize) if you all feel that, despite the many changes you have a fair shot.

[notquitethere]

I'm happy with this all culminating in a prize, given I think we're all on a similar level and have been playing to win.

[King Zultan]

What happened yesterday there weren't any posts up until the last minute.

[RoseHeart]

Just waiting to see what the answer to my last question is.

[notquitethere]

I've given my answer. I'm treating it like a real game and I'm playing to win.

What happened yesterday there weren't any posts up until the last minute.

I posted at pretty normal times for me (GMT).

[King Zultan]

What the hell I could have sworn I posted, not sure what happened to the reply.

Anyway I don't see why we can't play this like a real game while it's also a play test.