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[notquitethere]

Juicebox can confirm Nakeen only performed one action on N1.

Aye this be a very salient point.

Web, quit ignoring me:

Arrr, Web, did NJW answer yon question about his knowledge of soaking? I didn't spot it. Also, lurker tracker.

I don't care about yer bickering, this seems to be an actual point of substance. I've done a read back and NJW claims he doesn't have an ability related to soaking but he did claim to know this is true. So did you unpick this NJW?

Bussing yerself with another player is an extremely marginal ability. Me ole gut says that there's more to NJW's power and the bussing is but an unwanted downside to its true purpose. The more I think about this claim the less I buy it. NJW didn't even think Jim was lock town on D1. This is the very last thing he said about peg leg Jim:

Lean Town:
Jim - need to see more from them but thus far helpful with reasonable insights, and not powerwolfing. Yes, I have too many meta-reads, but they're easy and reading games this big is tiring.

This, coupled with the evasion about soaking is bringing up destinations only NJW has the treasure map for...

NJW2000 you slippery son of an eel. Arr, answer me this:

1. How do ye know about soaking if it's not an ability?
2. What be the real purpose of your bus on Jim? I don't see you gloriously taking a bullet for someone you only think "leans town".

[webadict]

Web, quit ignoring me:

Arrr, Web, did NJW answer yon question about his knowledge of soaking? I didn't spot it. Also, lurker tracker.

I don't care about yer bickering, this seems to be an actual point of substance. I've done a read back and NJW claims he doesn't have an ability related to soaking but he did claim to know this is true. So did you unpick this NJW?

Bussing yerself with another player is an extremely marginal ability. Me ole gut says that there's more to NJW's power and the bussing is but an unwanted downside to its true purpose. The more I think about this claim the less I buy it. NJW didn't even think Jim was lock town on D1. This is the very last thing he said about peg leg Jim:

?  Sorry, I've probably not been paying enough attention.  As far as I can remember, NJW hasn't answered about his knowledge of Soaking, but I'm not feeling super reliable at the moment.

Also, I'm not bickering anymore, cool your jets.  I think Jim's right, though, I think NJW might actually be Town.  I'm making a list, but NJW isn't offscript from how he played in Demon Mafia, even his reliance on scumtells is in his first several posts there.  I also think his reasoning is NAI, as there's reasons to bus with Jim as Town or Mafia.  His bad takes are also NAI, as he makes some really horrible takes as Mafia, too, based on... one of them that I ran?  I forget which one.  But, I think that ToonyMan nails it correctly that he willingly sacrifices himself to vote me out, which is, just, really dumb, but I don't see him pulling off ridiculous stunts like that as Mafia, and his bad takes tend to be really innocuous and in the background, like MVM3 and the game I can't remember right now.

[webadict]

The best argument you could make is that NJW thinks I'm SK or TP, and thus has reason to believe that Soaked is dangerous, but that's not what he relies on in his arguments, so that's not a fair reasoning.

[Mamobo]

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Lurker Track
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EuchreJack - 566 570 582 586 588 680 681 682 736 744 749 752 753 757 760 765 766 Last post was 12 hours ago.
Jim Groovester - 568 571 574 575 579 705 745 746 748 751 754 807 Last post was 1 hour ago.
juicebox - 614 615 621 627 628 640 660 662 668 677 761 762 763 Last post was 12 hours ago.
Knightwing64 - 549 550 552 553 558 592 598 600 673 678 689 726 772 Last post was 5 hours ago.
Maximum Spin - Player has not yet posted.
Nakéen - 555 559 596 708 709 717 727 Last post was 18 hours ago.
NJW2000 - 605 609 624 626 632 635 679 684 688 712 721 770 798 Last post was 2 hours ago.
notquitethere - 589 590 593 599 601 602 603 610 612 613 617 619 620 622 623 625 630 634 638 639 648 649 650 651 652 653 659 664 665 672 674 676 687 693 702 707 720 771 777 779 789 810 Last post was 1 hour ago.
Roden - Player has not yet posted.
TolyK - 591 597 604 633 710 768 769 773 778 801 Last post was 2 hours ago.
ToonyMan - 547 548 551 554 556 561 565 572 573 576 578 581 584 585 587 594 595 629 700 703 704 716 718 724 740 741 742 743 747 750 755 756 775 780 784 785 790 791 794 795 797 Last post was 3 hours ago.
TricMagic - 567 643 645 655 656 657 658 661 666 671 690 714 719 723 728 733 739 781 782 783 786 788 793 800 804 Last post was 2 hours ago.
Vector - 562 564 580 695 697 699 713 725 729 809 Last post was 1 hour ago.
webadict - 557 560 563 569 577 583 606 607 608 611 616 618 631 636 637 641 642 644 646 647 654 663 667 669 670 675 683 685 686 691 692 694 696 698 701 706 711 715 722 730 731 732 734 735 737 738 758 759 764 774 776 787 792 796 799 802 805 806 808 811 812 Last post was 1 hour ago.

[NJW2000]

NQT Interesting things may happen if I'm soaked or on fire, so I know soaking and being on fire is a thing. That's it. I'm not really going to claim any more than that today, it won't help.

I thought town!Jim was a plausible kill candidate. Not that many people scumreading him, strong player, able to power up town players. I also found his play relatively townie towards the end of the day, which I literally didn't have time to post about.

I also thought there might be scum shenanigans involving scum trying to redirect the items onto them or copy the ability or whatever, and I wanted to get all up in those. And finally, if he was scum, there was a chance he'd give himself an item and I'd get it, which would have been nice.

NQT: I literally did not know what the question was and you made me look for it. I'm pretty sure there wasn't actually a question.
If you have clearly stated mechanical questions, fine, but otherwise stop making me reread Web's ISO.
 

Toony: when you were considering scum!NQT, did you think his mistake today was real or fake? And if fake, do you think he actually has an inspect? Both possibilities seem a bit odd.

[Knightwing64]

I’m almost positive that somebody who claimed to target Web is lying because there is no way to tell.

Anybody want to make a list of them?

[webadict]

No need to be rude, you could just ask nicely.

Here's some that were in there:

If I flip Town, who do you plan to go after?
If I flip scum, who do you plan to go after?
Why do you leave yourself out of people complicit in Roden's elimination?
What are the reasons to believe that I was and wasn't the target of the Mafiakill?

I’m almost positive that somebody who claimed to target Web is lying because there is no way to tell.

Anybody want to make a list of them?

Only you and Vector claimed targeting me, and I am confirming that both of those Actions are likely to have happened.

[webadict]

And you haven't named a game with a vigkill claimed by the Mafia because there isn't one.  Any game with Mafia having an extra kill is never claimed, including the only game I had an extra kill as Mafia in Sup10 that wasn't claimed.  Because there's no point in claiming it as Mafia.

[notquitethere]

Arr, here be the stats o post count up to and including today:

webadict - 63
notquitethere - 44
ToonyMan - 41
TricMagic - 24
EuchreJack - 17
Knightwing64 - 14
NJW2000 - 14
juicebox - 13
Jim Groovester - 12
Vector - 10
TolyK - 10
Nakeen - 7

Aye indeed the most quiet 3 were also the lowest posters on the first day. Arr... quality be not the same as quantity, but I have long observed that the most engaged players are usually not scum.

[notquitethere]

Avast, NJW's response to me just now was about as reasonable as I might hope to get. Trawling will continue. Let's cast me spyglass on Vector...

Spoiler: V Iso (click to show/hide)

Now it must be said they're short o time. But there's not a lot to go on so far...

Most posts are about the night claim:

I inspected Web last night; he is town.

Oh, damn... didn't catch that. What a ding-dong

I'm pretty sure NJW is Town, if they're the one that gave me this status.

Congratulation in order ... ! Now I want to know what this mystery status is ...

Also, you seem awfully sure I'm scum. Mind actually making a case on me instead of just calling me scum every time you mention me?

Why didn't you reload my Actions?

Why didn't you killshot Nakéen like you said you would Yesterday :V

hmpf

:V

No comment.

Vector: (for when you've read D2 thus far.) Has your read on Webadict changed since D1? You seemed to suspect him, but attached higher priority to other elims.

The only thing I have on Web is that unlike me, he's normally easy on noobs, so I was surprised by how easy it was to bait him into scumreading Nakéen. Also, he doesn't usually townread me unless he's scum.

This is very soft data though. I had an inspect so I thought I'd use it on Web. I got a town result and also tried to give him something, which based on our conversation, it sounds like he received. How the fuck did this happen? I don't know.

...What did Vector do last night anyway? We got a mod-mistake, but no clue what they did exactly beyond revive-item..

I inspected Web.

Ahoy: they're reading the thread:

I am completely aware. There have been multiple posts on this topic. I am included in one of NQT's infographics upstream.

Aye and we can expect similar to D1, an EOD flurry of activity and analysis.

I'll have a substantive post tonight. I have too much work to do and not enough energy, so I won't be paying attention until then.

Not a lot to be said there! I'm happy to drop anchor in Vector's port, so to speak, while we await the goods.

[TricMagic]

I'll drop mine in EuchreJack's instead.

[EuchreJack]

TolyK, did ye ever explain why you left it until the end to claim miller? That's a borderline hanging offence.

No, I did not explain. For one, I didn't (and don't) intend on remaining a miller for long. For two, I wasn't too active earlier in day 1. Finally, by now I've claimed a significant portion of my current role (and part of my non-current role); I was quite hesitant to give too much too fast, but after the other claim had realized that claiming miller after being investigated is quite dumb & counterproductive.

And I suspected (correctly!) that inspects are pretty much nerfed in this game anyways. Turns out target redirection is a big thing.

@Tolyk: WTF is up with this "I'm a miller yesterday, but I'll presumably waste some action just to not be a miller, even though I'm already tainted anyways." I don't see this as helpful to finding Scum. Could you explain further?

I'll drop mine in EuchreJack's instead.

Thanks Tric. 

[EuchreJack]

Not quite caught up, but other things to do, sorry.

[TricMagic]

That's honestly a good point. TolyK, why would you spend an action to frame yourself as town? That doesn't actually change anything for you.

[notquitethere]

Arr assuming me count is correct (could we have an automated list o' D1 votes? Can Mamobo do that right?), this here be a list of the number of people each player serious voted (i.e. I ignored votes immediately rescinded in the same post, and RVS votes). Cast yer eye upon this:

# Unique Serious Targets by EOD D1:
High engagement
webadict - 5
Max 4
TricMagic - 4
notquitethere - 4
ToonyMan - 4

Default engagement
Roden 3
Jim Groovester - 3
EuchreJack - 2
juicebox - 2

Disengaged
NJW2000 - 1
Nakeen - 1
TolyK - 1
Knightwing64 - 1
Vector - 1

Well, no surprise the no-shows and new players are at the bottom. This chart can pick up lurkers and ineffective buccaneers... Aye, you can see the value in the metric in how high Roden and Max appear. Juice is a puzzle (and it's no surprise I was suspicious of the whelk), but unless he's a godfather OR redirect results can lie about the target in the PM AND I be redirected, then he's not scum.

What be the theory, ye may ask... well it's simple: loyal crew members are genuinely paranoid, suspicious of others and want to find scum. Most scum players, unless they be exceptional actors, want to have enough targets to seem active but not so many that they make enemies. Their natural inclination is to avoid bringing the wrath of the sea upon themselves.

I'm no saying that scum are all in the bottom set... but I am saying:

1. The most engaged probably be town (Web, me, Tric, Toony)
2. Third-parties and some of the scum are likely to be found among the least engaged, savvy?