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Author Topic: FBYOR 5 - Game Over - Learning From Disaster, As All Ends In Fire And Darkness  (Read 58439 times)

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Re: FBYOR 5 (14 / 14) - Day 1 - The Game Begins, Every Drake In Their Place
« Reply #270 on: October 14, 2022, 10:10:40 pm »

Hey Web, any chance we can get a lurker tracker too please?

It would make our lives a bit easier
DnD night, so sorry about the delay.

Lurker Track
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EuchreJack - 67 68 72 119 143 144 145 172 187 231 257 258 259 261 262 264 265 267 268 Last post was 2 hours ago.
Jim Groovester - 110 112 122 126 180 183 246 Last post was 5 hours ago.
juicebox - 70 71 103 147 148 155 165 204 207 263 269 Last post was 1 hour ago.
Knightwing64 - 127 173 221 251 253 255 Last post was 3 hours ago.
Maximum Spin - 94 98 99 113 123 136 166 169 175 178 190 192 194 196 198 200 228 230 233 240 245 248 250 Last post was 3 hours ago.
Nakéen - 132 181 226 Last post was 10 hours ago.
NJW2000 - 74 102 120 125 174 202 244 Last post was 6 hours ago.
notquitethere - 75 108 116 117 203 212 213 215 229 236 Last post was 7 hours ago.
Roden - 69 73 150 154 159 163 164 182 185 186 189 191 193 195 197 199 247 252 Last post was 3 hours ago.
TolyK - 81 83 92 93 106 111 201 206 Last post was 16 hours ago.
ToonyMan - 76 79 86 87 88 90 96 97 100 114 129 130 131 133 135 139 141 152 160 161 162 170 171 179 209 210 211 214 216 218 220 234 235 238 241 254 256 260 266 Last post was 2 hours ago.
TricMagic - 82 85 104 105 137 140 157 158 168 176 217 219 224 239 242 243 Last post was 6 hours ago.
Vector - 121 Last post was 11 hours ago.
webadict - 77 78 80 84 89 91 95 101 107 109 115 118 124 128 134 138 142 146 149 151 153 156 167 177 184 188 205 208 222 223 225 227 232 237 249 Last post was 3 hours ago.
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Re: FBYOR 5 (14 / 14) - Day 1 - The Game Begins, Every Drake In Their Place
« Reply #271 on: October 14, 2022, 10:36:50 pm »

Multiple minor reasons.

One, Max was mafia a little bit ago, making it unlikely for them to be mafia again.

I have a good feeling about them, doesn’t feel like scum Max to me, it feels different.

You get it?
This... isn't entirely alignment indicative, but it's not pushing me Town.  I'm still gonna say I'd be okay with a Knightwing execution, but I won't advocate for it.

I will, however, state that I'm very much against TolyK's execution on the grounds that I'm feeling him as Town.  ... But, maybe it's hypocritical of me to state that I'm not entirely against it because I don't know TolyK's play style as well as I used to.  I think it's a miselimination by a large margin.  I think Roden is still a better choice.

I keep forgetting Lunchbox, oh I mean juicebox exists.
@juicebox: What do YOU think of the TolyK wagon?
This one's tricky.  I'm intuitively feeling juicebox is Town based on his last couple of posts, but his posts before that were pretty lackluster.  I'd say he wasn't fully engaged before now.  I'm not 100% against it, but it's starting to feel worse now that it's an option.

I'm assuming Knightwing isn't an option.  I still think Roden is scum.  I could say that notquitethere is an option, but it's less appealing.  Weird as that is, this feels more like his play in Jade Court, where I had (and kinda still have) some trouble reading him.  I think Max is right to go after him.  I think Max is seeing everything I'm seeing, and that's why it's weird that while notquitethere is activelurking to an extent, it doesn't feel malicious.  His mindset seems pretty reasonable to me.

Max is hella Town.  ToonyMan is hella Town (I'll explain this later, don't worry about it).  TricMagic is hella Town.  EuchreJack is hella Town.  Nakeen is hella Town.  TolyK is probs Town.  juicebox is probs Town.  notquitethere is probs Town.  Jim is... probs Town.  Knightwing64 is scum-sided.  Roden is hella scum.  NJW2000 might be scum.  Vector is technically a player.

So, my guess is that scum are within Jim/Roden/NJW2000/Vector/Knightwing64.  50% chance that I've got multiple in there.
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Re: FBYOR 5 (14 / 14) - Day 1 - The Game Begins, Every Drake In Their Place
« Reply #272 on: October 14, 2022, 10:37:56 pm »

Nah, I'll raise my chance to 80% that it's got multiple.
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Re: FBYOR 5 (14 / 14) - Day 1 - The Game Begins, Every Drake In Their Place
« Reply #273 on: October 14, 2022, 11:24:24 pm »

Weird as that is, this feels more like his play in Jade Court, where I had (and kinda still have) some trouble reading him.
Funny story. I 100% agree with this, I still don't really get how he wasn't scum there, and this second-guess is largely why I was willing to unvote him.

So yeah, same page there for sure.
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Re: FBYOR 5 (14 / 14) - Day 1 - The Game Begins, Every Drake In Their Place
« Reply #274 on: October 14, 2022, 11:27:15 pm »

After posting that, I wanted to add:
I guess he just kind of does this sometimes, and it works because it entertains ToonyMan? ToonyMan being entertained and going along with it may have actually cost him that game since the two of us together effectively controlled the last two votes. So I guess there is value to it.
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Re: FBYOR 5 (14 / 14) - Day 1 - The Game Begins, Every Drake In Their Place
« Reply #275 on: October 14, 2022, 11:35:41 pm »

Weird as that is, this feels more like his play in Jade Court, where I had (and kinda still have) some trouble reading him.
Funny story. I 100% agree with this, I still don't really get how he wasn't scum there, and this second-guess is largely why I was willing to unvote him.

So yeah, same page there for sure.
Quit copying me!

After posting that, I wanted to add:
I guess he just kind of does this sometimes, and it works because it entertains ToonyMan? ToonyMan being entertained and going along with it may have actually cost him that game since the two of us together effectively controlled the last two votes. So I guess there is value to it.
I think ToonyMan's scum game relies on a lot of short-term goals.  His long-term goals tend to be a little more playing-by-ear, so him getting to Day 3 with someone from his team that wasn't him was really difficult.  Him getting himself on the Board as anything but a Day 1 vote would've been pretty short, but it'd make him unelectable.  Honestly, I think he was probably in a lost game from the start, but he did what he had to do.
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Re: FBYOR 5 (14 / 14) - Day 1 - The Game Begins, Every Drake In Their Place
« Reply #276 on: October 14, 2022, 11:58:05 pm »

big post
Mmmm effort.

After posting that, I wanted to add:
I guess he just kind of does this sometimes, and it works because it entertains ToonyMan? ToonyMan being entertained and going along with it may have actually cost him that game since the two of us together effectively controlled the last two votes. So I guess there is value to it.
I mean, yes, I like NQT here partly because of Jade Court.

I know this reasoning backfired in Web's Supernatural (I thought his vote on me was just like Roguelike Mafia where he was town), however it became really apparent NQT was fishy after D1. I still don't really want to vote NQT currently, but I also believe NQT gets shakier as mafia as the game progresses which I haven't seen yet besides being a bit distant in the game so far. He's been putting in way more work than Web's Supernatural.

I think ToonyMan's scum game relies on a lot of short-term goals.  His long-term goals tend to be a little more playing-by-ear, so him getting to Day 3 with someone from his team that wasn't him was really difficult.  Him getting himself on the Board as anything but a Day 1 vote would've been pretty short, but it'd make him unelectable.  Honestly, I think he was probably in a lost game from the start, but he did what he had to do.
I like having good chemistry with my scum partners. I think it can be difficult to find success when allies are unable to communicate well or get along.

Max and Web seem really town to me (unless they're both mafia *shiver*), so I don't really see how town loses here unless we completely punt.
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Re: FBYOR 5 (14 / 14) - Day 1 - The Game Begins, Every Drake In Their Place
« Reply #277 on: October 15, 2022, 12:02:01 am »

Max is hella Town.  ToonyMan is hella Town (I'll explain this later, don't worry about it).  TricMagic is hella Town.  EuchreJack is hella Town.  Nakeen is hella Town.  TolyK is probs Town.  juicebox is probs Town.  notquitethere is probs Town.  Jim is... probs Town.  Knightwing64 is scum-sided.  Roden is hella scum.  NJW2000 might be scum.  Vector is technically a player.

So, my guess is that scum are within Jim/Roden/NJW2000/Vector/Knightwing64.  50% chance that I've got multiple in there.
Why is Nakeen town?
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Re: FBYOR 5 (14 / 14) - Day 1 - The Game Begins, Every Drake In Their Place
« Reply #278 on: October 15, 2022, 12:14:20 am »

Max is hella Town.  ToonyMan is hella Town (I'll explain this later, don't worry about it).  TricMagic is hella Town.  EuchreJack is hella Town.  Nakeen is hella Town.  TolyK is probs Town.  juicebox is probs Town.  notquitethere is probs Town.  Jim is... probs Town.  Knightwing64 is scum-sided.  Roden is hella scum.  NJW2000 might be scum.  Vector is technically a player.

So, my guess is that scum are within Jim/Roden/NJW2000/Vector/Knightwing64.  50% chance that I've got multiple in there.
Why is Nakeen town?
I dunno, first post really spoke to me, and the other posts never detracted.  Also, he can't be elimmed today, so I also didn't really think to hard about it.

Looking back at the first post... I'm still pretty sure Nakeen is Town.

Max and Web seem really town to me (unless they're both mafia *shiver*), so I don't really see how town loses here unless we completely punt.
If you believe that, then there's reason to believe that one of us three may be converted Tonight.  I'd actually prefer it not be me because I've been setting up a spiderweb this whole time and it'd make my life a lot harder, but that's supposing that that's even possible.

But, I can only play to my current wincon, so what am I to do?  Do I half-ass it on the chance that I turn scum?  Tough call.  Long game planning is hard with incomplete knowledge!
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Re: FBYOR 5 (14 / 14) - Day 1 - The Game Begins, Every Drake In Their Place
« Reply #279 on: October 15, 2022, 12:27:29 am »

My issue with Nakeen is I don't feel they're taking advantage of their lack of being eliminated today, you know?

They're a player I've never seen before and I don't know their mafia experience, but I wouldn't waste such a gift, screw the repercussions.

If Nakeen is town I can see that, but I want them to play more. Similarly, I'm annoyed by Vector since their absence means absolutely nothing about their alignment, which allows them to coast as mafia or just solve the game by themselves one week from now as town instead of solving it now.

If you believe that, then there's reason to believe that one of us three may be converted Tonight.  I'd actually prefer it not be me because I've been setting up a spiderweb this whole time and it'd make my life a lot harder, but that's supposing that that's even possible.

But, I can only play to my current wincon, so what am I to do?  Do I half-ass it on the chance that I turn scum?  Tough call.  Long game planning is hard with incomplete knowledge!
Pretty sure if one of us gets converted then that person is going to win. Let it be me for once.  8)
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Re: FBYOR 5 (14 / 14) - Day 1 - The Game Begins, Every Drake In Their Place
« Reply #280 on: October 15, 2022, 12:30:58 am »

Sounds good.  If you get converted, tell me, and I'll let you win.  Promise!
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Re: FBYOR 5 (14 / 14) - Day 1 - The Game Begins, Every Drake In Their Place
« Reply #281 on: October 15, 2022, 12:35:19 am »

I'm willing to vote NJW or Vector in that list, although I currently don't want to.

I can't read NJW so he could just be mafia here, pretty weak reason to vote someone
Vector is completely null, pretty bad reason to vote them

Strongest against
I don't want to vote Knightwing because I don't really think that can be mafia.
I like Jim.
I don't really think Roden would be this attention grabbing as mafia, especially so early.
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Re: FBYOR 5 (14 / 14) - Day 1 - The Game Begins, Every Drake In Their Place
« Reply #282 on: October 15, 2022, 12:40:14 am »

Alrighty, who are you willing to vote out?
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Re: FBYOR 5 (14 / 14) - Day 1 - The Game Begins, Every Drake In Their Place
« Reply #283 on: October 15, 2022, 12:44:30 am »

I haven't decided. Jack does seem town here.
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Re: FBYOR 5 (14 / 14) - Day 1 - The Game Begins, Every Drake In Their Place
« Reply #284 on: October 15, 2022, 12:47:27 am »

One scum inside TolyK/NJW seems at least...65% likely.
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