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[notquitethere]

EJ

Maybe you'd better share it now.

After my read through maybe.

You have a bad habit of reusing outdated material.
At least so far, you've relitigated the Lenglon issue after it was already resolved, and reused a reads list that was old.

I explicitly said I didn't want to relitigate it with Lenglon in the next post. I had a big reads list that I made one day, then updated it for the next day and some old sentences were accidentally left in because my reading comprehension is completely shot with a cold (as I've said elsewhere). Expect a few dumb mistakes. Would you have preferred I didn't post my thoughts?

And you've developed the habit of trying to pull the strings.

Unpack this thought. I don't get what your argument is meant to be here.


Lenglon

NQT: the argument that sold me on voting you is one of fake activity. I admit to just being a follower on it, but I figured I should also say what part of the argument was convincing to me.

How am I faking activity? Explain yourself.

[notquitethere]

Max

What, now you're all moving on NQT when nobody would vote for him when I did before.

NQT has been one of the players I trust least so far this game, and the one whose flip I most want to see. I think he could absolutely be scum, and, if I'm wrong, I think it would be informative to find out. I didn't want to move my vote off him before, but nobody was going for it then.

Your first vote on me made absolutely no sense, like you literally voted my for arguing town should lie sometimes (a correct opionion) and this vote now is just a bandwagon.

No way this is a town Max.

[notquitethere]

Vote Shifts

Maybe you'd better share it now.

So here's how things stood:

Spoiler: Tric Wagon (click to show/hide)

Vote Count
------------------------
TricMagic - 3 - ToonyMan*, Persus13*, 4maskwolf*,
Maximum Spin - 2 - TricMagic*, Egan_BW*,
4maskwolf - 1 - Knightwing64*,
Egan_BW - 1 - Lenglon*,
EuchreJack - 1 - Vector*,
Jim Groovester - 1 - hector13*,
hector13 - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 0 -
Lenglon - 0 -
notquitethere - 0 -
Persus13 - 0 -
ToonyMan - 0 -
Vector - 0 -
No One - 0 -

Not Voting - 4 - EuchreJack*, Jim Groovester, Maximum Spin*, notquitethere*,

7 to Hammer. Day ends on September 23, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (~46 hours remaining).

Spoiler: When I tied the vote Tric/4mask (click to show/hide)

Vote Count
------------------------
TricMagic - 3 - ToonyMan*, Persus13*, 4maskwolf*,
4maskwolf - 3 - Knightwing64*, EuchreJack*, notquitethere*
EuchreJack - 1 - Vector*,
Jim Groovester - 1 - hector13*,
Maximum Spin - 1 - TricMagic*,
Egan_BW - 0 -
hector13 - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 0 -
Lenglon - 0 -
notquitethere - 0 -
Persus13 - 0 -
ToonyMan - 0 -
Vector - 0 -
No One - 0 -

Not Voting - 5 - Egan_BW*, Jim Groovester, Lenglon*, Maximum Spin*,

7 to Hammer. Day ends on September 23, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (~35 hours remaining).

Then it gets interesting... what does Max do? He jumps on the 4mask wagon:

Lol, I was just about to post that I support a 4maskwolf lynch too.

And then as soon as something else becomes viable:

Let's go with EuchreJack. I'm not convinced he didn't just entirely make up his gelling read on Maximum Spin so that he could town read him.

Then he goes to the EJ wagon:

Sure, whatever. EuchreJack.

Before swiftly unvoting:

Unvote, by the way.

Spoiler: 4mask/EJ tie (click to show/hide)

Vote Count
------------------------
4maskwolf - 2 - notquitethere*, ToonyMan*,
EuchreJack - 2 - Vector*, Jim Groovester*,
Jim Groovester - 1 - hector13*,
Knightwing64 - 1 - Persus13*,
Maximum Spin - 1 - Knightwing64*,
ToonyMan - 1 - TricMagic*,
TricMagic - 1 - 4maskwolf*,
Egan_BW - 0 -
hector13 - 0 -
Lenglon - 0 -
notquitethere - 0 -
Persus13 - 0 -
Vector - 0 -
No One - 0 -

Not Voting - 4 - Egan_BW*, EuchreJack*, Lenglon*, Maximum Spin*,

7 to Hammer. Day ends on September 23, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (~30 hours remaining).

NOTE: In the event of a tie, the Mafia chooses the execution target.

Things shift quickly against Max:

Spoiler: Max Wagon (click to show/hide)

Vote Count
------------------------
Maximum Spin - 3 - Knightwing64*, hector13*, Egan_BW*,
4maskwolf - 2 - ToonyMan*, Vector*,
Egan_BW - 1 - notquitethere*,
EuchreJack - 1 - Jim Groovester*,
Knightwing64 - 1 - Persus13*,
ToonyMan - 1 - TricMagic*,
TricMagic - 1 - 4maskwolf*,
hector13 - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Lenglon - 0 -
notquitethere - 0 -
Persus13 - 0 -
Vector - 0 -
No One - 0 -

Not Voting - 3 - EuchreJack*, Lenglon*, Maximum Spin*,

7 to Hammer. Day ends on September 23, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (~28 hours remaining).

And so Max does a completely bald-faced lie of a reason to get on the wagon that will save him:

Spoiler: Max/NQT tie (click to show/hide)

Vote Count
------------------------
Maximum Spin - 3 - Knightwing64*, hector13*, Egan_BW*,
notquitethere - 3 - EuchreJack*, Lenglon*, Maximum Spin*,
4maskwolf - 2 - ToonyMan*, Vector*,
Egan_BW - 1 - notquitethere*,
EuchreJack - 1 - Jim Groovester*,
Knightwing64 - 1 - Persus13*,
ToonyMan - 1 - TricMagic*,
TricMagic - 1 - 4maskwolf*,
hector13 - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Lenglon - 0 -
Persus13 - 0 -
Vector - 0 -
No One - 0 -

Not Voting - 0 -

7 to Hammer. Day ends on September 23, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (23 hours and 37 minutes remaining.)

NOTE: In the event of a tie, Evil forces chooses the execution target.

So what have we seen? Max behaves entirely opportunistically, jumping on whatever wagon looks popular, and jumps off when he's concerned what it looks like.

I feel like voting again will probably backfire again somehow,

Jim is spot on here. Max is disingenuous. Absolutely happy to launch Max today:

Are you talking about your case here:

That wasn't a "case", that was a "vote", with "some words attached". I wanted to see if notquitethere was pinging anyone else the way he was me, and it seemed like he wasn't, so I didn't push it at the time since I had other people to worry about too.
Making an exploratory d1 vote without explaining it is what I almost always do. It's probably NAI rather than townie because I think I've done it as scum, but it shouldn't strike you as surprising at all.

You asshole, I ask you about shit and apparently you lie about it.

'oh i was just messing with notquitethere'
'oh well actually i was testing the waters to see how other people feel about notquitethere'

I should vote you and throw Lynch All Liars in your face.

All to say... if Max is scum, then 4mask is probably not a scum partner. So I should be voting Maximum Spin (but I still want to hear some answers from 4mask).

[TricMagic]

I need to go to bed so I can't address everything right now. I'm posting from phone so it's hard for me to quote.

1. I made an inconsistent statement about 4mask earlier where I said I didn't like them using other people's views as their own to vote Tric. That isn't true I must have misremembered then. Reply #275.
2. I've been flipflopping on Tric because I couldn't see him as being mafia with anyone, which I want to attribute to 4mask's play.
3. Tric has called me Evil every time I get aggressive with 4mask and accuse 4mask. It's happened twice now. Reply #330 #379. Even 4mask has mentioned it.
4. Here is my favourite part. I was confused why Tric was still going after Jack and not trying to save himself more by making up a reason to vote 4mask back when Tric and 4mask were leading wagons, this could very well be because Tric does not want to vote 4mask. Reply #274.

Just outright ignore the elephant I revealed why don't you? Why are you backing off so easily, is it cause you no longer have a need to pressure me?

[TricMagic]

I'm all for Max too, I don't see the Jack/Max/Toony team being wrong right now.

[Maximum Spin]

I'm all for Max too, I don't see the Jack/Max/Toony team being wrong right now.

Then you're going to feel really really dumb, real soon.

I really just wanted to help town.

[TricMagic]

I'm all for Max too, I don't see the Jack/Max/Toony team being wrong right now.

Then you're going to feel really really dumb, real soon.

I really just wanted to help town.

By killing the insane cult leader?

[Mamobo]

Vote Count
------------------------
Maximum Spin - 5 - notquitethere*, TricMagic*, Knightwing64*, hector13*, Egan_BW*,
4maskwolf - 3 - Jim Groovester*, ToonyMan*, Vector*,
notquitethere - 3 - EuchreJack*, Lenglon*, Maximum Spin*,
Knightwing64 - 1 - Persus13*,
TricMagic - 1 - 4maskwolf*,
Egan_BW - 0 -
EuchreJack - 0 -
hector13 - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Lenglon - 0 -
Persus13 - 0 -
ToonyMan - 0 -
Vector - 0 -
No One - 0 -

Not Voting - 0 -

7 to Hammer. Day ends on September 23, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (10 hours and 58 minutes remaining.)

[Maximum Spin]

All right, I'm not planning to hang around the rest of the day, so I guess I might as well spill what I know. It's not much, but it might be helpful still.

There's a devil-summoning witch, the "Summoner", who has an ability called Devil Deal that I imagine is somehow related to the devil role someone mentioned a long time ago. There also seems to be a team of "Monsters".

The "Monsters" are only suggested in flavortext, but the witch is just about definite, because my role specifically reacts (badly) to the use of that ability, which would have effectively recruited me if it had hit. It's hard to imagine something that specific would be meant as a red herring.

[ToonyMan]

PFP

I need to go to bed so I can't address everything right now. I'm posting from phone so it's hard for me to quote.

1. I made an inconsistent statement about 4mask earlier where I said I didn't like them using other people's views as their own to vote Tric. That isn't true I must have misremembered then. Reply #275.
2. I've been flipflopping on Tric because I couldn't see him as being mafia with anyone, which I want to attribute to 4mask's play.
3. Tric has called me Evil every time I get aggressive with 4mask and accuse 4mask. It's happened twice now. Reply #330 #379. Even 4mask has mentioned it.
4. Here is my favourite part. I was confused why Tric was still going after Jack and not trying to save himself more by making up a reason to vote 4mask back when Tric and 4mask were leading wagons, this could very well be because Tric does not want to vote 4mask. Reply #274.

Just outright ignore the elephant I revealed why don't you? Why are you backing off so easily, is it cause you no longer have a need to pressure me?

I was falling asleep in bed. I want to respond to 4mask as well when I can.

What is saying you're a Warden mean? Do you plan on saying more or are you just saying that to sound authorative? Why are you defending 4mask so hard, but didn't have them on your townread list?

I'm all for Max too, I don't see the Jack/Max/Toony team being wrong right now.

You are at least 80% wrong since I'm town. Jack is town. And Max is probably town.

Isn't it funny how your "Boom these are my 3 scumreads" at the start of game hasn't evolved at all? It's like you have a set plan you're following for the day.

[Knightwing64]

Hmm. A Demon Summoner? Sounds cool

Also, if any of you have a bodyguard role, I would like it to be used on me due to my crippling fear of death

[ToonyMan]

@Max:
Why are you claiming? You should have at least not mentioned the being recruited part. You also phrased it like you expect to die today.

@Knightwing:
Haha, funny joke.

[Knightwing64]

ty

[Lenglon]

NQT:at the time I meant that you were mostly speculating on the setup or rehashing topics that had been already investigated by others instead of providing new material for the town to look at. Even your vote on Max was a rehash of my complaints about Max's behavior, though you did come to a different conclusion than me at the end of it.

Regarding Max: I refuse to vote Max the Survivor right now. I do not think Max is town, as I have said repeatedly, but I also am willing to believe Max's claims about the scumteam, and I want to vote out Evil, not Neutral.

Regarding 4mask: I feel like any and all feedback on attempting to townread 4mask could be summarized as: "yeah, but 4mask is 5head, so that's null". And yet instead of keeping 4mask as null, these same people are attempting to scumread 4mask with normal scumtells. I don't understand this, and it leaves me dissatisfied with them. I would call this Executioner behaviour, but it's multiple vets doing this, so it's more likely their real opinion, and that I'm missing something. I don't see many good ways to investigate this, as I normally would check it by voting 4mask for a reason I don't believe in myself, and watching for vote shifts, but that would involve lying.

NQT: if I am choosing between voting you and 4mask, I am voting you, because you voted Max, and 4mask has not voted. I am not completely settled on this, but it's what I'm most comfortable with for the moment.

[Persus13]

@Max:
Why are you claiming? You should have at least not mentioned the being recruited part. You also phrased it like you expect to die today.

All right, I'm not planning to hang around the rest of the day, so I guess I might as well spill what I know. It's not much, but it might be helpful still.

Vote Count
------------------------
Maximum Spin - 5 - notquitethere*, TricMagic*, Knightwing64*, hector13*, Egan_BW*,

If I logged off for the day with 5 votes on me I'd sure feel I was going to die and start spilling the beans.

Stream of consciousness post incoming.