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[notquitethere]

Nice, they hopefully won't see that combo coming.

Spoiler: Test Game, NQT Turn 6 (click to show/hide)

Ping the demon for 1.

Hearts: 20
Stars: 2
Board: Wooly 2/2
Discard:  Broomstick Witch, Meteor, Sheep Windy, Mystery Ghost, Beetle Brood
Hand: 5

[NUKE9.13]

Now that I've done it, I realise Fog into UB is bonkers.

Spoiler: Test Game, NUKE turn 7 (click to show/hide)

Draw 1 card. Lose 1 Heart. Play:

Destroying Wooly and gaining 1 Star.

Demon token attacks directly for 3.
Instead of attacking, Demon Summoner summons another Demon token.
Hearts: 10
Stars: 1
Board: Demon Summoner (1/2), Demon token (3/1), Demon token (3/2)
Discard: Backfire, Organ Harvest, Star Wish Waifu, Backfire, Fog of War, Unintentional Bombardment, Organ Harvest
Hand: 10 cards

I feel like this is going to come down to whether my demon tokens kill you before they kill me. 

[notquitethere]

I think I can just stall out and let the demons kill you

Spoiler: Test Game, NQT Turn 7 (click to show/hide)

Hearts: 17
Stars: 2
Board: 
Discard:  Broomstick Witch, Meteor, Sheep Windy, Mystery Ghost, Beetle Brood, Wooly, Storm Cell
Hand: 5

[NUKE9.13]

Well...

Spoiler: Test Game, NUKE turn 8 (click to show/hide)

Draw 1 card. Lose 2 Hearts.

Both Demon tokens attack directly, for 6.
Instead of attacking, Demon Summoner summons another Demon token.

Play:

To play

And then (for 1 star) flip all my cards face down.

Hearts: 8
Stars: 1
Board: FACEDOWNx5 [Demon Summoner (1/2), Demon token (3/1), Demon token (3/2), Demon Token (3/2), Star Wish Waifu (1/2)]
Discard: Backfire, Organ Harvest, Star Wish Waifu, Backfire, Fog of War, Unintentional Bombardment, Organ Harvest, Fog of War
Hand: 9 cards

Unless I've missed a rule that you can't attack before playing a card.

[Supernerd]

Fog of war would permit you to play a card, then flip it face down. Your opponent would know what the card is in this case however, as it was played before it was flipped.

[notquitethere]

I think that's all legit. Choosing which order to play or attack with cards is part of the game's tactical space.

Spoiler: Test Game, NQT Turn 8 (click to show/hide)

Good use of a second fog there. I should have used Meteor when you were unflipped and Storm Cell when they were flipped. My bad play here. If I had a Naglfar or two to play, I think I would win this through attrition, but I haven't drawn it yet. So I'll just put some filler out. At least it has no organs to harvest!

The storm cell goes off, killing nothing.


(1,1,2)

Hearts: 11
Stars: 2
Board:  Mystery Ghost 3a,2h
Discard:  Broomstick Witch, Meteor, Sheep Windy, Mystery Ghost, Beetle Brood, Wooly, Storm Cell
Hand: 5

Fog of war would permit you to play a card, then flip it face down. Your opponent would know what the card is in this case however, as it was played before it was flipped.

Great, that's exactly how I thought it should work.

[NUKE9.13]

Spoiler: Test Game, NUKE turn 9 (click to show/hide)

Draw 1 card.
Play:

To flip Mystery Ghost face down.
Flip up all my Demon tokens and the Star Wish Waifu. They attack directly for 10 damage.

Hearts: 8
Stars: 1
Board: FACEDOWN [Demon Summoner (1/2)], Demon token (3/1), Demon token (3/2), Demon Token (3/2), Star Wish Waifu (1/2)
Discard: Backfire, Organ Harvest, Star Wish Waifu, Backfire, Fog of War, Unintentional Bombardment, Organ Harvest, Fog of War, Fog of War
Hand: 9 cards

So, I think I've effectively won this test match- spoilers, I have two more Fogs in hand (I've drawn 5 of the 6 I included). Not super surprising, given I'm using a turn 2.5 deck versus a turn 1 deck (that might even be missing some key cards).

Here's my decklist, with some notes I made during the game:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

#DEMON-MOCKUP TEST DECK
6 Demon Footsoldier
4 Demon Summoner
4 Star Wish Waifu
6 Enkaphalin Refinery
2 Pacifist Gunslinger Waifu
5 Backfire
5 Organ Harvest
6 Fog of War
2 Unintentional Bombardment

Notes: Fog into Unintentional is disgusting. Definitely include more UBs- cut an Organ Harvest or two.
   Fog + Demons is nice, what with being able to skip the upkeep cost. Fog is just an amazing card in general.
   Backfire is pretty risky with all this blood upkeep. But the added consistency is amazing. Rather than heavily cut Backfires (down to 4 might be good), I'd rather add stuff that gains life back. Maybe something with lifelink? Or just go even more aggressive. The only heart that matters is the last one!
   Maybe cut a refinery or two.
   PGW was something I added just to round out the deck, basically. It's a good wincon, but it's a different approach to the Demon cards.
   Though the Demon Summoner (or the tokens, rather) dealt the most damage, it could realistically have been almost anything with decent power- Fog of War, removal, and the Backfires that provided them were the real MVPs. Nevertheless, it might be necessary to up the star cost to 2. Maybe add a heart or two in the process. 

The notes are just thoughts for "what if I fought another test match"; obviously actual combat would mean both having access to more cards, and being able to tailor to a region to some extent, which would change deck construction.

Here's what my draws looked like. I somehow managed to not draw a single Demon Footsoldier, despite having 6.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

(I used the red to indicate which cards I'd used already)

This was definitely a useful learning experience. Unfortunate that I didn't get to test the Footsoldier, but I feel the Demon tokens provided decent examples.

E: Also, a question- do ETB triggers happen every time a card flips face up, or only if it was played face down to begin with and it is flipped up for the first time?

[notquitethere]

Yes we can call it there. I should have fielded more Naglfar in the deck as it's a perfect counter to your hidden demon spam as it stops you attacking but you still get burnt by the demons.

Also, I might be wrong (Supernerd to clarify) but wouldn't start of turn card weaknesses still trigger on facedown cards?

This absolutely shows the power of fog. I'll be fielding all 6 of them next round. I think the Backfire was probably good for getting options but could have backfired— most of the damage you took that game was self inflicted.

[Stirk]

Fog is just kinda powerful since all of its effects would individually make a good 0 star card but it can do any and all of them.

[NUKE9.13]

Also, I might be wrong (Supernerd to clarify) but wouldn't start of turn card weaknesses still trigger on facedown cards?

That seems unintuitive. A face-down refinery wouldn't produce stars every turn, would it?

[Supernerd]

Face-down cards do not do anything while face down.

If a card is played and then flipped face down on the same turn, it was still played this turn so any effects that would apply to cards that were played on that turn specifically would still apply. Flipping a card does not make it so that it was played on a previous turn.

[NUKE9.13]

If a card is played and then flipped face down on the same turn, it was still played this turn so any effects that would apply to cards that were played on that turn specifically would still apply. Flipping a card does not make it so that it was played on a previous turn.

Ah, that's not what I meant to ask. I meant, as an example- Star Wish Waifu, does she generate a star every time she's flipped face up?
We saw in Tric's match last round that face down cards apparently trigger their 'on play' abilities when being flipped up for the first time, so I'm wondering how broadly that works.

[notquitethere]

I see your point. There's actually a 3rd way of interpreting it, based on the rules as a written:

If a facedown card does something it will be flipped.

So maybe demon tokens should flip when they inflict damage to you and the refinery should flip when it gives income?

Ppe: Supernerd weighs in, yeah makes sense, they are considered inert when flipped.

[Stirk]

If a card is played and then flipped face down on the same turn, it was still played this turn so any effects that would apply to cards that were played on that turn specifically would still apply. Flipping a card does not make it so that it was played on a previous turn.

Ah, that's not what I meant to ask. I meant, as an example- Star Wish Waifu, does she generate a star every time she's flipped face up?
We saw in Tric's match last round that face down cards apparently trigger their 'on play' abilities when being flipped up for the first time, so I'm wondering how broadly that works.

Restless Spirit might be what you want to go for for flipping stars.

[notquitethere]

Restless Spirit might be what you want to go for for flipping stars.

Restless Spirit is designed to be a renewable star source if the player can figure out a way to flip and unflip multiple times, but what NUKE is trying to clarify is how enter-play type effects interplay with flipping up cards, as it seems like if you play a card face down it doesn't count as having entered play until its flipped. (As Wooly was able to use its ability when flipped up for the first time.) Possibly Tric was making an illegal play?