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[Failbird105]

Failbird-
Your cards seem pretty good, though the packed streets one might need something more, as I'm not sure concentrating several cards into one is that big an advantage (except for mitigating boardwipes)

I like the gear head idea, though probably: "draw a card when this card leaves play" is probably more reliably useful power— is there something gear tokens could be used for that justifies them being cards?

The Gearhead's gear thing was essentially a Flavor thing, as the whole gimmick of them in the source material is that they have different gears in their body that enhance different aspects of themself and can be taken and used to further enhance others.

As for Packed Streets, my other thought on it was a defensive card exclusively for buildings

[NUKE9.13]

The gimmick probably requires a healing card to work or you’re going to end up hurting yourself more than the enemy. It would work great if we end up making a skill switching card tho, and I already had Waifu support for demons in the pipe.

While I think that the Demon Footsoldier and Demon tokens would dish out enough damage to render the hearts cost worthwhile, I agree that it would synergise well with something that provided extra hearts. The idea of swapping the rules text from one card to another is very interesting, and would be quite the combo with demons (not as much as with the PGW, obviously).

Also, another idea:

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*Card Name: Infernal Anthem
*Card Picture: [I dunno]
*Background Color: Orange
Attack: 0
Hearts: 1
Stars: 0 (with two other cards on the board, it provides 4 stats (effectively). While it can be much more effective, it also has a blood upkeep)
Card Effect: This card is Intangible (cannot block, cause damage, or be damaged).
  All cards you control gain +1/+1.
  At the start of your turn, you lose 1 heart.
Flavor Text: Music to die for.
Metadata: An anthem effect. Hard to get rid of (immune to damage, though other effects can still target it). Has an upkeep cost.
Reference:

[Failbird105]

It's an interesting conundrum with the whole Demon thing. Damage at the Start of turn and at the End of turn are equally harmful I feel. Damage at the End of turn, for example, pretty much means you automatically take one damage just for playing it. Even if the opponent pops a board-wipe and clears it away immediately with the rest of your board, you've still lost a Heart in the process. The only way you could possibly stop yourself from getting damaged by playing it is if you had a card that killed it without counting towards your cards-per-turn.

On the other hand, while Damage on Start means you have a grace period in that it doesn't start hurting you until you would be able to attack with it, but it also damages you before you can do anything to potentially protect yourself.

What it definitely is, however, is great stat fodder for the Mountain. If you make that, I'll 100% aim for making Destructive Analysis, and I'd ask that one of you guys make a region benefitting Creature Type(I'd prefer a building but like, doesn't have to be) or 'Benefits from Banishings' Card, because the Caldera renders the Mountain of Bodies utterly useless and so that is a region where we'll need to have alternatives at all cost.

[NUKE9.13]

It's an interesting conundrum with the whole Demon thing. Damage at the Start of turn and at the End of turn are equally harmful I feel. Damage at the End of turn, for example, pretty much means you automatically take one damage just for playing it. Even if the opponent pops a board-wipe and clears it away immediately with the rest of your board, you've still lost a Heart in the process. The only way you could possibly stop yourself from getting damaged by playing it is if you had a card that killed it without counting towards your cards-per-turn.

On the other hand, while Damage on Start means you have a grace period in that it doesn't start hurting you until you would be able to attack with it, but it also damages you before you can do anything to potentially protect yourself.

What it definitely is, however, is great stat fodder for the Mountain. If you make that, I'll 100% aim for making Destructive Analysis, and I'd ask that one of you guys make a region benefitting Creature Type(I'd prefer a building but like, doesn't have to be) or 'Benefits from Banishings' Card, because the Caldera renders the Mountain of Bodies utterly useless and so that is a region where we'll need to have alternatives at all cost.

EoT is definitely worse. The amount of damage you suffer per turn doesn't change, but the fact that you don't take damage on the turn the opponent kills it makes start-of-turn strictly better. Well, you could probably construct some elaborate scenario where it's worse, but that would be an extreme edge case.

The Mountain synergy is also a benefit, yes. And I do think we need a card that is able to take and deal a beating (without requiring lots of setup). Barring any surprises from the other team, I'm inclined towards doing the Demon Footsoldier next turn. And then take 6 of them to the Caldera, to ensure that a deck with Mountains doesn't get dragged into it.

[Failbird105]

Pre-building this here card in advance, since I am almost definitely making it next turn.

*Card Name: Destructive Analysis
*Card Picture:
*Background Color: Yellow
Attack: 0
Hearts: 0
Stars: 0
Card Effect: Discard (?) Cards, search your deck for one Card.
Flavor Text: Time for this expensive procedure to prove its worth.
Metadata: The (?) is what I'm going to put when I don't know what number would be considered fair and am fully leaving the reins with you.
Reference:

[Stirk]

If you guys are really hankering for it, we can always make a test duel in here with either current or theoretical cards to see what works

[Supernerd]

I don't see why not. Though I won't put as much effort into the whole moderation thing in such a test event, and rulings that I make, if any, may not necessarily apply to official cards made based on a test.

[NUKE9.13]

Pre-building this here card in advance, since I am almost definitely making it next turn.

*Card Name: Destructive Analysis
*Card Picture:
*Background Color: Yellow
Attack: 0
Hearts: 0
Stars: 0
Card Effect: Discard (?) Cards, search your deck for one Card.
Flavor Text: Time for this expensive procedure to prove its worth.
Metadata: The (?) is what I'm going to put when I don't know what number would be considered fair and am fully leaving the reins with you.
Reference:

I think that if (?) ends up greater than 3, the card would be impractical. 3 itself is pushing it. Mind you, we do have that draw-3... but you don't want your "find a card" card to rely on having a specific card. I'd suggest a target value of 2. If that seems too low, add another cost. Two cards plus Analysis itself will still put Mountain online, and the chance of the discard pile being empty is pretty low anyway.
Oh, you could have it put the found card on top of the deck- you'd basically have the same card, but it would be like it had the words "skip your next draw step" (since it would replace your "real" draw).

[Stirk]

Oh, you could have it put the found card on top of the deck- you'd basically have the same card, but it would be like it had the words "skip your next draw step" (since it would replace your "real" draw).

But if you do that you'll end up loosing the card if you have to shuffle, which the enemy can initiate pretty easily and as a side effect of something else if they wanted.

[Failbird105]

I mean... would it be possible to just ask Supernerd what a fair number of cards is to Discard in order to search for a card straight from your deck?

Also, while yes you only need to discard 2 potential cards plus this to summon the Mountain, if the cards you wind up discarding aren't at least 1 or 2 stars themselves you're dramatically overpaying for MoB

[NUKE9.13]

Also, while yes you only need to discard 2 potential cards plus this to summon the Mountain, if the cards you wind up discarding aren't at least 1 or 2 stars themselves you're dramatically overpaying for MoB

Yeah... but that applies no matter how many cards you discard. Also, the idea that the bin would be empty at the point you consider doing this seems unlikely.

Oh, you could have it put the found card on top of the deck- you'd basically have the same card, but it would be like it had the words "skip your next draw step" (since it would replace your "real" draw).

But if you do that you'll end up loosing the card if you have to shuffle, which the enemy can initiate pretty easily and as a side effect of something else if they wanted.

Fair. Maybe literally have the words "Skip your next draw step" instead- still have that downside, but without the risk of a shuffle.

If you guys are really hankering for it, we can always make a test duel in here with either current or theoretical cards to see what works

As in, a test duel between two decks made with our cards, or a test duel between our cards and a deck made from (what we've seen of) the enemy's cards? Either way, it could be useful. I'd expect Demon Footsoldier and/or Summoner to work well, but it could be worth testing how significant the life loss is.

[Stirk]

As in, a test duel between two decks made with our cards, or a test duel between our cards and a deck made from (what we've seen of) the enemy's cards? Either way, it could be useful. I'd expect Demon Footsoldier and/or Summoner to work well, but it could be worth testing how significant the life loss is.

The former seems to be significantly more viable, given how few of the enemy cards we've actually seen.

[notquitethere]

I tested my deck vs the cards drawn against me in the last match as a kind of minimal viable deck. If it struggled against that, I'd have no chance against whatever new cards they've made. In my test, PGW+Fog won the game by round four, so I weighted the numbers in my deck accordingly.

Definitely up for us running mock tests here in the thread with all these syndicate and demon ideas.

[NUKE9.13]

I put together mockups of the two theoretical cards (and token) I'd want to test:

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(I'm not sure about the star cost, hence the question mark. I think 1 star is reasonable, but it's possible that it could get too crazy for that to be right)

(I accidentally left out the word "you" in "At the start of your turn, lose one heart" on the token, but I can't be bothered to redo it)

And put together a decklist using them and existing cards in our roster. I'd enjoy testing it- both to test the actual cards, and to get a better feel for piloting a deck.

[notquitethere]

And put together a decklist using them and existing cards in our roster. I'd enjoy testing it- both to test the actual cards, and to get a better feel for piloting a deck.

I'll have a look at the last three games and put together a deck of the cards we've seen so far. Go ahead and make your first move (them starting with a +1 star advantage was pivotal to their strategy last round).

Spoiler: Team E Test Deck #1 (click to show/hide)

Wooly   6
Meteor Shower   6
Naglfar   4
Sheep of the Windy   4
Broomstick   6
Mystery   4
Beetle Brood   6
Storm Cell   4

I overstuffed it with Broomstick Witches as we have no counter for flying. I left out the Big Friendly Ghost as it's region specific (If Max has known how to use it, he could ruined my day easily with it in The Valley, but he never used the region's flip mechanic). They have nothing other than Naglfar (and meteor strike) to spend stars on, but I'll bet they'll remedy that. We also know they have one cards we've never seen