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[☼Obsidian Short Sword☼]

The 10,000 Dwarf Challenge


Welcome, To the newest challenge in Dwarf Fortress!

This challenge is not centered around a specific save. uploading a save for others to view/play is allowed.

Current Challengers:

• Avolition Brit
• Razzim

Rules:

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Use whatever tricks and hackery you know to run a 10,000 dwarf, fortress with at least 10 fps(Time Travel is allowed  ).

Here is the point system, in case we have two winners:

• 10,000 Dwarves with 10 fps: 100 points
• 11,000 Dwarves with 10 fps: 250 points
• 10,000 Dwarves with 20 fps: 300 points
• 12,000 Dwarves with 10 fps: 400 points
• 11,000 Dwarves with 20 fps: 450 points
• 10,000 Dwarves with 10 fps on a Rasberry Pi: 1000 points

[King Zultan]

PTW I wonder if anyone can actually make a working for with that many dwarves.

[Strik3r]

1 FPS is more likely, and i think even a thousand dorfs will be pushing it.
If anyone manages to have more than that in a fortress running above 10 FPS, the success will come with a boatload of discoveries regarding fortress optimization and trash management.

[TheImmortalRyukan]

Oh good lord, PTW, if only to learn how too optimize my own forts

[Protonicus]

looks incredibly hard. i even dont sure what is better the squire or thin coridor better for pathfinding.
Do anyone know is the next steam release fixes the pathfinding problem?

[Paaaad]

First hurdle I see: finding a world that has that many dwarfs in one civ in the first place. I suppose you could rely on breeding to do it, but that would take absolutely forever…

[Enemy post]

I wonder if you could do it by imprisoning all the extra dwarves in a 1x1 cell to eliminate pathfinding and running the fort with the usual number. Until they die of thirst, you might technically fulfill the requirement.

[AvolitionBrit]

I wonder if you could do it by imprisoning all the extra dwarves in a 1x1 cell to eliminate pathfinding and running the fort with the usual number. Until they die of thirst, you might technically fulfill the requirement.

Build a library with necromancer secrets and imprisions your new found necromancer population in a 1x1 room. It could be a live in crypt, were the undead are buried alive slowly awaiting their madness.

[Maloy]

My only things I can think of to optimize to get anywhere close to 1/10th of this:

1.Advanced parameters
1a. Make it a pocket sized world as small as possible with the entire environment regions that dwarves can't normally inhabit like deserts
1b. Allow one dwarven civ allowed and no others. No megabeasts or anything either and you'll only have the dwarven capital city spawn and nothing else
1c. Turn off cavern levels, hfs, etc as they clutter the map with creatures and fps drags

2. I'd embark on a slightly smaller setting, but not too small otherwise you can't fit the dwarves to come. If possible I'd pick a mirthful biome. The sunshine alcohol seems to be good at pacifying dwarves in my own notes, but any biome will do
3.Pick either the surface level or the dirt level immediately below it and plan to convert it into a massive farm that'll use most of the map
4. Cut down on traffic through a caste system. Farmers only farm, for example, and they're trapped in their own area so they can't even potentially path around.
5.Use legends viewer and identify if there's any towers, werebeasts or vampires. If there's a tower you're gonna wanna wipe them out for fps and take their books
6.Incrementally convert dwarves to the immortal class in question and imprison them in squares where they can go helplessly mad.
7.Maintain a "pure" dwarf social class that exists solely for breeding and enjoying alcohol and prepared meals in a small area. Just enough space to fulfill needs and you can convert off spring who aren't going to continue in the breeding program into immortal prisoners


Rack up the years as your prison-paradise slowly expands to the bottom of the earth uninterrupted by monsters or caves. Soon enough your caste system will become obsolete as you only need a class to produce food and alcohol and another to consume and mate. And as you identify your mating class and optimize their time you can eventually balance them with the producer class and just outright remove one of those classes and imprison them as immortals leaving you with a small number of dwarves that actually move and reproduce(who are later imprisoned as they age too much with one of their descendants taking over)


EDIT: Tbh if they're in 1x1 prisons you can have an extra small map that extends to the bottom of the earth. No caverns so it's just straight stone that is easy to carve in a way that is efficient

[TheImmortalRyukan]

My only things I can think of to optimize to get anywhere close to 1/10th of this:

1.Advanced parameters
1a. Make it a pocket sized world as small as possible with the entire environment regions that dwarves can't normally inhabit like deserts
1b. Allow one dwarven civ allowed and no others. No megabeasts or anything either and you'll only have the dwarven capital city spawn and nothing else
1c. Turn off cavern levels, hfs, etc as they clutter the map with creatures and fps drags

2. I'd embark on a slightly smaller setting, but not too small otherwise you can't fit the dwarves to come. If possible I'd pick a mirthful biome. The sunshine alcohol seems to be good at pacifying dwarves in my own notes, but any biome will do
3.Pick either the surface level or the dirt level immediately below it and plan to convert it into a massive farm that'll use most of the map
4. Cut down on traffic through a caste system. Farmers only farm, for example, and they're trapped in their own area so they can't even potentially path around.
5.Use legends viewer and identify if there's any towers, werebeasts or vampires. If there's a tower you're gonna wanna wipe them out for fps and take their books
6.Incrementally convert dwarves to the immortal class in question and imprison them in squares where they can go helplessly mad.
7.Maintain a "pure" dwarf social class that exists solely for breeding and enjoying alcohol and prepared meals in a small area. Just enough space to fulfill needs and you can convert off spring who aren't going to continue in the breeding program into immortal prisoners


Rack up the years as your prison-paradise slowly expands to the bottom of the earth uninterrupted by monsters or caves. Soon enough your caste system will become obsolete as you only need a class to produce food and alcohol and another to consume and mate. And as you identify your mating class and optimize their time you can eventually balance them with the producer class and just outright remove one of those classes and imprison them as immortals leaving you with a small number of dwarves that actually move and reproduce(who are later imprisoned as they age too much with one of their descendants taking over)


EDIT: Tbh if they're in 1x1 prisons you can have an extra small map that extends to the bottom of the earth. No caverns so it's just straight stone that is easy to carve in a way that is efficient

This seems like it could possibly work. Anyone willing to try it? I am severely interested to see how far we can make it in this challenge

[AvolitionBrit]

Recovering from being sick and away this weekend but might be able to cobble something together. If not when I'm back I would be down to give this a try. Interesting little concept.

[neblime]

I will say its going to be tough to have that many dwarves migrate too!

[StrikaAmaru]

...

...

... Oh no.

Don't do this to me.

I can't afford another project; I already have too many that I need to finish.

Sigh.

Where did I put Sil Kodor?

[☼Obsidian Short Sword☼]

Whoever beats any of the above conditions, And kills the entire fortress in adventure mode. Gets 3000 points!

[neblime]

Whoever beats any of the above conditions, And kills the entire fortress in adventure mode. Gets 3000 points!

god if fortress mode lag would be bad...
in adventure mode it would be pure pain