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You all know DALLE 2 by this point. I'm interested in the aftereffects.

It's going to be propagandized as putting artists out of a job. And people will believe it's putting artists out of a job. It's real, in-your-face AI that everyone will be using. So people are actually going to start asking questions about it.

How are people going to react? Regulating the shit out of AI? I doubt it. Or everyone starts throwing money at it? Or a very inconsistent and easily swayed response?

... the last one.

(My opinion on AI: Nature's example is that intelligence is hard to get right. And perfectly easy to get wrong, after you've got it dangerously right. We'll screw it up... and that's why we should roll ALL our technological dice. Looking at you CERN.)
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Re: When Dall-E goes mainstream and AI enters the field of normal politics
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2022, 05:45:29 pm »

Short answer : no

Long answer : We have the same public debate everytime technology and art intersect. Will digital camera make photograph obsoletes? Will 3D art make fbf animation obsolete ? Will the new nvidia card make pixel art obsolete? The debate is "mainstream" only in the sense that people participating have no idea of what art is. Artists do not get scared out of their job every time a new crayon comes to market.

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Re: When Dall-E goes mainstream and AI enters the field of normal politics
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2022, 09:45:32 pm »

There will still be demand for manual art. There's demand for... I don't know what's the best way to call it... "soul"(?) in art. AI art is cool but it doesn't have soul.

Oh and Dall-E 2 is pretty restricted in what it can make (source: jumped through hoops to get access despite being in Russia). That kind of artist will not be out of business any time soon. :P
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Re: When Dall-E goes mainstream and AI enters the field of normal politics
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2022, 10:53:25 pm »

Someday AI will generate Novel posts for us.
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Re: When Dall-E goes mainstream and AI enters the field of normal politics
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2022, 11:55:53 pm »

Someday AI will generate Novel posts for us.
I have this conspiracy theory that they are actually an advanced chatbot someone unleashed on the forum as an experiment. Some of their posts give me that vibe.
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Re: When Dall-E goes mainstream and AI enters the field of normal politics
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2022, 02:49:09 am »

Novel was an AI the whole time.


Also AI art can't replace an actual artist, because an AI can only make a vague version of what you want while an artist can make exactly what you want.
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Re: When Dall-E goes mainstream and AI enters the field of normal politics
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2022, 06:59:25 pm »

If you died and were replaced with an AI, do you think people in this forum would know? Or anywhere else in the internet?

If posted_already == false

Then (shitpost())
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Re: When Dall-E goes mainstream and AI enters the field of normal politics
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2022, 10:09:34 am »

So aside from the losing jobs scare (most folks that are on the ball are using it themselves to figure out what it can do and how to incorporate it into their process), the biggest issue with it is the legality.

Say you don't want to pay a big shot like Craig Mullins because he's asking for a reasonable compensation for someone of his skill and renown. Instead you pop your art prompt into the AI and ask it to do it in his style. You won't get anything super presentable right off the bat, but you pass that shit off to an intern and you've just gotten yourself something that's clearly based off of his work for a fraction of the price. The AI used copyrighted material to train and base its work off of, how do you handle the legality of that? What if Mr. Mullins decides he doesn't want his work used in such a manner, do you just shrug and go "Shit man, it's on the internet, that makes it fair game" Or do you go and rip out any reference to his works out of the algorithm, if that is even possible at this point.

Another can of worms is using someones likeness. Can't afford to pay a big shot actor to use for a cover or ad? No problem, just have the AI generate someone very similar but not quite exactly same looking. Your defense is that the person is imaginary and doesn't look like the person it's clearly based off of. But the AI used their likeness to learn, how do you deal with that?

As with the whole NFT shitshow, this feels like a potentially cool and versatile technology that has some very big problems that need to be solved first, except the folks that are pushing it are ignoring those and hoping they go away while they make tons of money for minimal effort beyond the initial development costs.
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Re: When Dall-E goes mainstream and AI enters the field of normal politics
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2022, 10:45:08 am »

This is a new pencil. Regulation is a pipe dream.
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Re: When Dall-E goes mainstream and AI enters the field of normal politics
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2022, 03:25:15 am »

Regulation is never far if money can be made.
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Re: When Dall-E goes mainstream and AI enters the field of normal politics
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2022, 04:56:34 am »

This is a new pencil. Regulation is a pipe dream.
Except, y'know, this stuff is impossible to run on personal computers, and will be for probably decades. When something is centralized, yes you can regulate it. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Regulation and centralization are good.
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Re: When Dall-E goes mainstream and AI enters the field of normal politics
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2022, 08:40:06 am »

Not really.

This CAN be run on a mesh network of ordinary computers.

It may be difficult to scrounge that much hardware together with energy prices and with the chip shortage, but building a local compute farm is totally doable for an enthusiast.

It could in theory be compiled for use with something like DIET.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIET

OpenHPC
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenHPC

Etc.

The hardware is not as important as you think, due to the fundemental interoperability provided by turing completeness. You just need enough parallel 'oomph', and you can get that with brute compute, using such software.

This isn't a war to see who can get it done fastest, like bitcoin. It might take several minutes to run the compute, to several hours to run the compute, depending on what trash you have strung together, but it not being in reach of 'small people' is simply untrue.



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Re: When Dall-E goes mainstream and AI enters the field of normal politics
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2022, 04:05:02 am »

Not really.

This CAN be run on a mesh network of ordinary computers.

It may be difficult to scrounge that much hardware together with energy prices and with the chip shortage, but building a local compute farm is totally doable for an enthusiast.

It could in theory be compiled for use with something like DIET.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIET

OpenHPC
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenHPC

Etc.

The hardware is not as important as you think, due to the fundemental interoperability provided by turing completeness. You just need enough parallel 'oomph', and you can get that with brute compute, using such software.

This isn't a war to see who can get it done fastest, like bitcoin. It might take several minutes to run the compute, to several hours to run the compute, depending on what trash you have strung together, but it not being in reach of 'small people' is simply untrue.
Fair enough. But saying this will be as commonplace as a pencil is also wrong.
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Re: When Dall-E goes mainstream and AI enters the field of normal politics
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2022, 05:40:10 am »

Did the factory chair kill the carpenter?

It took a lot of them out, but it didn't take carpentry out. So things may get lost, artists may get devoured by capital-accruing AI, but artists as a whole will survive AI. Artists are more likely to be killed by artists

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Re: When Dall-E goes mainstream and AI enters the field of normal politics
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2022, 07:50:24 am »

Did the factory chair kill the carpenter?

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