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[Egan_BW]

In.

[Maximum Spin]

I guess that at least makes a couple non-veteran players. In.

[FallacyofUrist]

That makes one more slot. Though of course experienced players can be swapped for newer ones as needed.

I'll probably give it three to four days before we start once we reach 9 players, unless there's popular demand to delay it further or start earlier. I'll need at least some time to build the setup, though.

[Jim Groovester]

I will join this game to get it started.

[FallacyofUrist]

I will join this game to get it started.

But you didn't post In - but whatever, I'll take it.

I'll get on the role baking then. Game starts whenever it wants to start (but probably between two and four days). I've learned my lesson about rushing setup design.

(If a new player wants to join, I'll still take them up until game start, but it'll probably extend the start since I'll have to reorganize the setup.)

[FallacyofUrist]

Update: seven out of nine roles have a first draft done. I still need to complete the other two roles, and then tweak everything - I want this to be balanced, after all.

[Egan_BW]

You do?

[FallacyofUrist]

Look, I love chaotic messes, but this is supposed to be beginner-friendly, so I have to tone it down so it's only a small chaotic mess, not a large one.

[Lenglon]

...
Now I want to argue how increased chaos and unpredictability makes things more accessible to beginners because the chaos can cover up flawed fundamentals.
That doesn't mean I actually believe it, but I mean, it's a workable argument.

[FallacyofUrist]

On the flip side, increased chaos makes it harder to learn basic skills. The whole point of Beginner BYORs is that, frankly, the old Beginner's Mafia didn't really represent the Bay 12 mafia community and the typical qualities of our games, and what makes our games fun. But it's still mafia, and you have to learn how to hunt scum and pretend to hunt scum and do all that. If the game is a total madhouse, it's harder to learn how to do that. At the same time, you're also practicing for dealing with unexpected situations.

Say there's someone claiming to be a super-duper miller who appears to be scum in most ways and always appears to be targeting whoever was killed. Now what? How do you handle that?

So there's a level of chaos that's desirable, but it's in between 'too much' and 'none at all'. I'm trying to strike that balance.

[Knightwing64]

Good furry

[webadict]

Say there's someone claiming to be a super-duper miller who appears to be scum in most ways and always appears to be targeting whoever was killed. Now what? How do you handle that?

Probably by learning how to play the Day game instead of the Night game

Ergo, the real lesson is to never think too hard about what exists in the Night, but only focus instead on what you know exists.

[FallacyofUrist]

Update: planning to start the game tonight. I have the setup mostly done, I just need to finish it, then give it a balance and polish and sanity pass.

[Lenglon]

sanity pass.

FoU: Lies.

[Egan_BW]

I have no clue how I'm gonna manage this group. Hopefully my role is fun!