Well, what I was really going for was to find someone to attack. I recall hearing that picking at whoever votes for you is an acceptable beginner strategy, so I went for that. Shakerag doesn't seem scummy to me at this point, but it doesn't really matter so much as that I got them to say some stuff and hopefully that helps people with more developed instincts than me.
This is bad. You've heard it's ok for newbie players to do something that's bad, so you did it? And you're waiting for stronger players to figure out the game?
That's a very convenient position for mafia to take. Instead, try to play well, and actually play the game. You may not have played much mafia, but you're smart, so scumhunt.
MaximumSpin - I've never been able to read him and seldom find him useful before D3.
First Post here. (As with all of these, just click the message link to see the whole thing, but this bit might be relevant?)
Of note, Egan doesn't think Fal is scum, and Fal unvotes to stop a hammering of Max.
Unvote. Quick check shows, you, NJW, Tric, and me on Max, and that's one vote off from hammer. I'd rather not have someone accidentally execute Max within something like the first 24 hours of the day.
Between this post and NJW's. Currently only one of them, instead we have infighting.
Alright, back from the mall. Alot of posts have been flung around and it seems everyone is centering toward Max?
Also, Lenglon is acting kind of aggro.. Could be a town demeanor... but I feel like it's way too early to be acting this aggressive. On a D1 one, there is nothing to really go off of.
It's these sorts of posts that make me think Lidku is scum... You had better have a strong day 3.
NJW2000 and Lidku have not posted much. I think NJW has only posted once, and it feels like Lidku has done barely more than that. I don't trust this. Honestly, if I had to pick one OTP Scumteam out of everyone, I might say it's just the two of them riding it out and hoping to casually get me lynched in the shitfight.
I guess I should unvote.
NJW2000 and Lidku, what're you two up to?
Oh, Lidku just showed up, while I was writing, huh. Moving my vote to NJW2000 then. He still needs to DO MORE, though.
Apologies for the inactivity, but I DID preface earlier that I was at the mall doing IRL matters.
This is my second BYOR game and I think I just usually like to be passive in general on D1, then try to actively solve on D2 (like I did before). There is just never enough to go on in a D1 to make any substantive determination on who is Mafia, in general. The D1 vote, if it occurs, most likely just kills a town; then after that, the Mafia will be able to get another kill on N1.
Probobly a bit late.. But if nothing is done on Day 1, there is nothing to go off of on day 2. Being worried about town numbers is odd when there are 9 of us.
To everyone that isn't Egan. Do you think Egan and I are the scumteam?
I am not interested in speculating about the scumteam as a group, and performing relational analysis, on day 1.
Individually you are each more townie than the players that have not posted enough content to form a read off of (Tric, Knightwing, NJW).
NJW has posted recently. That just really leaves Tric and Knightwing.. but I personally think inactivity is a somewhat weak modem to go off of... They could be doing IRL things. Usually I believe it's more likely that the Mafia is always active in a thread, as a means to deflect suspicion that they COULD be Mafia.. An inverse of what you've posted.
...Here's the other half of why I think Lidku may be scum. Out of the many many parts.
Hunt! If you don't hunt, you get suspected.
Page 18 has a few NJW posts.
For me? My action would show up as targeting Max in that scenario, assuming I wasn't redirected or some other shenaniganery.
My actions show up as mafiakill actions, but their apparent targeting is not modified from what it actually is.
Now this is WEIRD. Because the same does not seem to be true of Egan. See:
Shakerag - Please explain Miller Theory regarding D1 claims.
Oh I just realized I missed that. I stick by the old (relative to this subforum) rules that you always claim miller ASAP. To do otherwise is to invite doubt.
Ah in that case I'm like, omega miller. Inspects show me as mafia, surveys show my action as mafiakill, and tracking shows me as visiting whoever was killed.
So there are different Omega-millers in play?
Ho hum. I find that hard to believe. Also, have a look through Fal and EgAns early interactions. They’re just a tad weird. At the very least, I think FoU is lying here.
Anything to say for yourself, FallacyOfUrist?
I suppose a question to NJW would be thus.
What was weird about them? Also last game literally had a grandfather, but with Egan claiming second, Fal's chance of lying drops. Unless that's what webaict wants us to think..
Last post of the page is using role logic in a webadict game to decry Fal's role.
come to think of it, Lidku, I don't think anyone has really engaged with you today so far. How do you feel about that? Also, if you could get an investigate result on someone as a bonus action tonight, who would you pick? And if you had to take a vigi shot RIGHT NOW, who would you shoot with it?
For an investigation action, I would choose between either Egan, TricMagic, and admittedly... you.
You, because I feel like you're being a tad-bit aggressive for D1. Almost like you're trying hard to be considered Town with your constant activity and trying to grasp at things to nail who you suspect as Mafia.. an attempt to detract suspicion from yourself, perhaps?
TricMagic because he has been silent lately and he is usually more active than this. Though again, like I've broached before, it all could be IRL activities consuming up his time.
Egan, as a means to really discern of what they're saying about their "Miller" ability being true. But apparently the whole point of a "Miller" automatically typecasts the user as Mafia, no matter what? Then it becomes extremely hard to gauge whether or not Egan TRULY is either Mafia and Town (which is, I believe, is what everyone has been arguing these past pages.. I just realized we're still on D1, but at least somewhat half-up to the page number of the previous BYOR game 
).
Now, as for what I would do if I had a vigilante ability: I would save it for until I at least highly suspect someone. Doing the wrong the kill + a lynch vote killing a Town and not a Mafia member + the decided Mafia kill would devastate Town, bringing us way closer to a loss in one Day/Night. If I had such an ability, I would never disclose it and save it for at least N2 or N3 (if I was still alive, that is) for someone I highly suspected.
... Sigh.... Really Lidku? Out of context this would be rather horrible. But it does setup Lenglon's day2 claim nicely. Hmm..
...32 pages of talk somehow, yet NJW/Lidku aren't on the lynch. Good job town.
Linebreak until the next NJW posts. Right now, Lenglon and Knightwing are town-reads. Not touching Skake with a ten-foot pole though.
Lidku, a question for you.
What should town do to achieve cohesion and trust in one another?
Wait a moment...
(Ninja Lenglon)
Yeah, NJW2000 has rubbed me wrong all game. Enough's enough. He dies.
*various nonsense*
I find a common scum tactic to be argument-dismissal, that is, either misinterpreting or selectively quoting someone's post to make them look weaker than they actually are. NJW2000 has been doing this all game.
Also, NJW, it's a little odd that you decided to cut out such tiny segments of my post and removed their context. You also didn't address the conclusion at the bottom in any way. Why did you do that? It already was a fairly small post, and it's especially odd that you would remove the context from my statements while pitching a fit about how I wasn't representing yours properly.
The lack of suspiscions is not good.
I'm kind of ok with an Egan flip as I feel it may solve the FoU slot in some manner. I would prefer to see FoU eliminated though.
Will do a readslist but later... I have a train journey that would be perfect for that.
In any case, deep breath.
2) Egan town FoU scum. - you are advocating for this
Show me where I did this. Just show me where. Read my posts. Then reread them. Then see if you can pick out the bit where I say this.
I'm not misrepresenting anything. You are dismissing out of hand option 4, and you have stated that your reason for doing so is that it is to aduacious to be true. I consider this reason completely unacceptable.
I am saying it is too unlikely to be reasonably accepted. READ MY POSTS. QUOTE THEM. Don't just ascribe random positions to me.
STOP MISREPRESENTING ME. I imagine several players don't particularly feel the need to see you survive the elim. If you continue to misrepresent what I say, I will be one of them. I don't care for players who post angry textwalls and fail to read the thread.
All I can say is practice what your preach, do unto others as you would do unto yourself, and all that jazz.
Also, NJW, it's a little odd that you decided to cut out such tiny segments of my post and removed their context. You also didn't address the conclusion at the bottom in any way. Why did you do that? It already was a fairly small post, and it's especially odd that you would remove the context from my statements while pitching a fit about how I wasn't representing yours properly.
You posted lies about what I said and didn’t quote me. I quoted those lies and explained that they were lies. If you think the context of a statement is more important than the actual truth about what was written in a thread, I don’t really think it’s possible for me to usefully communicate with you. You’re going to have to start responding to what was written, not what you vaguely imagine from a skimread, or this isn’t going to work.
I’m going to be patient, and respond to your question. The difference between saying that an event is improbable compared to plausible alternatives and saying that scum would never be audacious enough to do it is that one is the first thing I just said and the other is the second.
At this point I'm just quoting the end of this thread. Let's see if I can't unravel the sheet you're hiding behind.
In any case, readslist:
(rather quick and scrappy, as it turns out, because I know who I have as scum already.)
Egan_BW: Lean scum. Highly dubious claim, admittedly. Many dubious points such as "haha we're both scum" with a nervy response from FoU as their first interaction, lack of suspects... and this. If scum, probably with FoU.
FallacyofUrist: Scum. I don't really think there's going to be an omega-miller and a specialised-miller in the same game. If there are, Web has essentially created a bastard game instead of anything like a newbie game. I stand by my reasoning about the unlikelihood of a miller gambit + specialised miller guess on Egan's part, so I'm pretty sure FoU is scum. They also claimed miller quite late, which is not a townie thing to do.
Knightwing64: probably town. Tone reads as genuine (though mafia can get annoyed). D1
Lenglon: highly emotionally invested town. Obsessively pushing newer players and bringing in emotional/moral judgements, so helping noone, but probably louder D1 than they'd bother being as scum.
Lidku:Null. Not rocking the boat much. This post contains an "I'll vote if you insist", but Lidku may just be an unusually strong beginner, still liable to make that kind of error.
Maximum Spin: Weak scum lean. I can never really read Max well, but his defence of FoU over ER was a bit off.
Shakerag: Null. Not doing anything too aggressive, fair amount of activity. Not applying much vote pressure but asking questions. Strong and experienced enough that I'm very unlikely to catch them out D1, so can't call them town. Someone missing facetiousness is the subtlest tell I know, but if they're just autistic, it's not one I can use.
TricMagic: Lean town. Slightly ghostly presence but has made claims about what they'll be doing tonight, asked some reasonable questions.[/spoiler]
In conclusion: Kill Fallacy Now.
Why am I lean-town when Lidku is Null? And not for the same reasons Shakerag is null, just that he's not rocking the boat. That is in and of itself suspicious, town should be hunting. A lot of this is tunneling Fal all day 1, and now into day 2 even with the supposed town confirmation.
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This is when NJW voted Fal. While he made other votes during the day, at a quick glance they're all Fal. Which messes with Mamobo something fierce since the asterisk only counts the most recent. Before that it was Max during the game start, on his first post. We can pretty much dismiss it since there was no follow up and the Fal vote is the third post, second with actual meat to it, lean as it is.
In any case, Lidku and NJW are both on Fal at Page 28.
... That's it.. Looking back over day one, the number of NJW posts is shockingly small. The reads list is the last bit of data we have that day. One thing that stood out is the lack of... Connection NJW had with most players. Compared to the many many posts between the main 4 which make up the bulk of day 1, it's very stringy.
So yeah, posting.
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