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[Il Palazzo]

I think it might cause more damage than that, cumulatively, since units tend to hug the walls when the entrance is blocked. So maybe if the roll is made every time a unit steps on the flaming square, or finds itself on the square when round begins - I don't know the precise mechanic it uses. Hence I'd like to see it.

[Il Palazzo]

Oh, good. Everyone's dead. I'm out.

[Azthor]

Oh, good. Everyone's dead. I'm out.

I may have omitted I thought I could take you on in a pitched battle, but had to wear you down enough that the return damage would be acceptable.

I figured you were going AI or max aggressiveness; that you were likely to move into Ossuary, if so, due to fort arrangement.

And if not, it was the most mobile position for me to threaten the forts from.

Since I basically knew the exact details of what you could bring into the fight by now, and what you had been consistently neglecting to protect from, it went  about as expected.

That sure did not stop it from being tense, though.

[Il Palazzo]

Honestly, I didn't even change any orders in that army before sending it out. Just refilled whatever gems I could find and figured if I could get to the capital I'd burn the fort there. If not for the ghouls at Debiritha, I'd have burned that fort too - fort arson was my favourite pastime as of late.

Excellent preparation on your invasion. Full props there.

[Azthor]

Honestly, I didn't even change any orders in that army before sending it out. Just refilled whatever gems I could find and figured if I could get to the capital I'd burn the fort there. If not for the ghouls at Debiritha, I'd have burned that fort too - fort arson was my favourite pastime as of late.

Excellent preparation on your invasion. Full props there.

Am working on a longer post, but seeing as this is my first "real competitive MP game of Dominions", how my first war was more of a grounded tug-o-war, and how different fighting AIs is (...) how would you say your side of the war felt like, militarily, specifically?

Suffice to say I was relying on a lot of second hand information, hypothesis and arena testing, all the way down to part of a bless that only paid off now.

[Il Palazzo]

Eh, I don't know what insight you're looking for. We didn't get to fight all that much, but you did all the right things, as far as I can tell.

[Azthor]

Eh, I don't know what insight you're looking for. We didn't get to fight all that much, but you did all the right things, as far as I can tell.

I believe, in the case of Fomoria (...) did the raids manage to feel overwhelming, the "counter raids" too risky, and the main army proper hard to tackle head on?

By “counter raids” I refer to the response to splitting up to deal with the raids.

For instance, I felt my tempo was a bit off across different parts of the engagement, even though it did the job; ie. the main army had a bit too large a delay to the front.

[Azthor]

Here is the diplomatic/strategic scoop:

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It wasn’t allying Rus that had a dramatic impact on your situation; I dare say it was not dissuading me diplomatically that you had supported Niefelheim and were the player most likely to attack me if given a chance.

I had very solid relations with my other neighbours, and when you tried to arrange a gank of Mictlan, I instead opted to arrange your own gank, all the way back then.

I also had enmity with Yomi, and some of my allies would benefit from Yomi collapsing (…) so I basically let you and Yomi take care of each other.

That actually extended into sitting on an arranged gank of you, with a large host camped south to wrack Yomi if he got too much of an advance on Agartha/Rus - a conflict I always thought would be stacked in my favor on the surface, if push came to shove.

Ermor wasn’t the initiator, he actually jumped the gun a little too early the first time, and I asked him to hold back so you’d finish taking care of Yomi first.

The trigger for the war was Yomi going AI, and by the time you made Yomi go AI you were already doomed, on a strategic level, as your allying Yomi was the only hope of getting a manageable war - and you and Yomi realizing that was my fear at the time.

[Il Palazzo]

Meh. I blame the other players for not seeing you as the bigger threat. And I believe I tried arranging a gank on everyone at one point or another. That I did not get any concrete response from any direction spelled the future situation for me pretty clearly.

[Azthor]

Meh. I blame the other players for not seeing you as the bigger threat. And I believe I tried arranging a gank on everyone at one point or another. That I did not get any concrete response from any direction spelled the future situation for me pretty clearly.

Now, that is something of a precarious statement, coming from someone who beat a main army from virtually every other player in the game with few losses, or who claims to have tried to gank virtually every other player at some point, isn't it?

Besides, I was backward in every regard conceivable, in the midgame.

[E. Albright]

Yes and no. Not every nation is equally threatening to every other nation. Forex, Fomoria is - all things equal - much more of an existential threat to R'lyeh than Kailasa is, right up until Kailasa hits a point when it can spam summoned SCs. Kailasa argued as much, at length. Ofc, the problem is that regardless of fundamental structural imbalances, all other things were very much not equal, and game-specific circumstances overrode generic home truths.

[And in fairness to Kailasa, they couldn't have the same perspective on individual circumstances w/in the game as the nations they tried to persuade, and had to rely more on generalities.]

[Azthor]

Yes and no. Not every nation is equally threatening to every other nation. Forex, Fomoria is - all things equal - much more of an existential threat to R'lyeh than Kailasa is, right up until Kailasa hits a point when it can spam summoned SCs. Kailasa argued as much, at length. Ofc, the problem is that regardless of fundamental structural imbalances, all other things were very much not equal, and game-specific circumstances overrode generic home truths.

[And in fairness to Kailasa, they couldn't have the same perspective on individual circumstances w/in the game as the nations they tried to persuade, and had to rely more on generalities.]

That lack of perspective is, however, a consequence of their style of diplomacy. And if we are entirely honest, the "you should all have known better!" is saltiness speaking.

[Il Palazzo]

Not a terribly nice thing to say, imo.

[Azthor]

Not a terribly nice thing to say, imo.

On the diplomacy part: approaching things in a secretive and noncommital way might not bind you much, but it also comes with a slew of drawbacks - particularly when someone is doing the opposite work and creating large chains of relationships to start crossing information.

As for the saltiness bit, yes, I admit that was a little mean and apologize for the way I put it, but I do stand by the actual point proper: I don't think a perspective where I was the greater threat makes any sense/it feels like resentment speaking, rather than reason.

[Il Palazzo]

I clearly didn't see it that way. But I don't care to explain myself. It's of little import anyway.

You guys have fun with the rest of the game. Somebody with unhealthy online habits should PM me for the admin password, as I'm bound to pay less attention to this thread in the future.