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[Aqizzar]

Wrestling is not so much complicated as just tedious.  In order to lock, and then break, joints you need to grab a body part with your hands, so stow your sword when you want to wrestle.  What makes it tedious is that you have to manually select what part of the enemy to grab, and what part of you to grab it with, and the hands are way down at the bottom of the list (ProTip: hit PageUp a few times).  Some joints can be broken with lower arms and such, but hands always work.

Ratman will be great for practicing since they have humanoid joints.  For extra fun, grab something by the head and gouge its eyes out, then grab a neck and strangle it.

I hope all that didn't seem condescending.

[Cthulhu]

quote: Plus, it would be kind of demoralizing to lose a great adventurer to a random lucky shot.

You get used to it eventually.

Cthulhu has grown used to tragedy.

[Virroken]

Equipping half a dozen shields and blocking umpteen attacks per turn makes your adventurer buff really fast. Laying down for the wolves gives about 400 experience per turn passed. Laying down for intelligent guards gives around 1000.

If you try this with intelligent guards, watch out for staying down too long. Even though you won't get hit ever (if your shield skill is high enough to begin with), the guards gain stats for their attacks. This means that they'll be relatively buff/fast when you choose to stand up and run away.

[Ghostpaw]

quote:Originally posted by Virroken:
<STRONG>Equipping half a dozen shields and blocking umpteen attacks per turn makes your adventurer buff really fast. Laying down for the wolves gives about 400 experience per turn passed. Laying down for intelligent guards gives around 1000.

If you try this with intelligent guards, watch out for staying down too long. Even though you won't get hit ever (if your shield skill is high enough to begin with), the guards gain stats for their attacks. This means that they'll be relatively buff/fast when you choose to stand up and run away.</STRONG>

How do you equip more than two shields?

[Duke 2.0]

quote:Originally posted by Ghostpaw:
<STRONG>

How do you equip more than two shields?</STRONG>

Make sure you have whatever weapon you will use for a long time equipped. Pick up a shielf, which will be placed in your pack. Take the shield out of you pack, and it will be added to one of your hands.

Think of it as each shield being placed side-by-side. This would eventually form a ball of shields, invulerable to attacks. Then you stab through the holes at enemies.

[Demonic Gophers]

I think you can break joints with your arms, even if your hands are full.  You can strangle enemies even by using a weapon.

Also, next time you start a character, I highly recommend novice swimmer.  It's much safer (and easier to improve your skills) if you can enter deep water without drowning.

[Aqizzar]

quote:Originally posted by Demonic Gophers:
<STRONG>Also, next time you start a character, I highly recommend novice swimmer.  It's much safer (and easier to improve your skills) if you can enter deep water without drowning.</STRONG>

Actually, you need to be an (untitled) Swimmer.  A novice can still stun and drown when stepping into water.

[Daniel Charms]

quote:Originally posted by Aqizzar:
<STRONG>Wrestling is not so much complicated as just tedious.  In order to lock, and then break, joints you need to grab a body part with your hands, so stow your sword when you want to wrestle.  What makes it tedious is that you have to manually select what part of the enemy to grab, and what part of you to grab it with</STRONG>

You can also set your combat preferences to 'Close Combat' and let the game do all the tedious stuff for you! Don't forget to change them back to 'Strike' afterwards, though.

[Duke 2.0]

quote:Originally posted by Aqizzar:
<STRONG>

Actually, you need to be an (untitled) Swimmer.  A novice can still stun and drown when stepping into water.</STRONG>

Actually, most drownings happen when somebody tries to jump into the open space above water instead of in the water itself. It counts as a single z-level fall, causing stunning and thus drowning. So really, a dabbling swimmer can enter water fine as long as you do it right and don't provoke anything.

And train swimming in lakes/oceans. Sloped sides makes it a lot easier.

[KrunkSplein]

As an update, I have since killed a minotaur and a giant with little difficulty =)  I think I may try my hand at an adventurer fortress soon.  Are there any existing references to help with that?

Edit:
My valiant hero has met his end at the hands of a mighty bronze colossus.  All I gave him were some bruises.  Any tips for bringing these big bastards down?

[ June 09, 2008: Message edited by: KrunkSplein ]

[Aqizzar]

quote:Originally posted by KrunkSplein:
<STRONG>Edit:
My valiant hero has met his end at the hands of a mighty bronze colossus.  All I gave him were some bruises.  Any tips for bringing these big bastards down?

[ June 09, 2008: Message edited by: KrunkSplein ]</STRONG>

I may not be entirely correct about the physics of it, and I've never met a bronze collosus so I don't know, but hammers and maces are worth trying.  Weapons have a chance to do both surface damage and internal damage, and internal damage chance can go through armor, and presumably damblock.  If you pound on an armored foe with a hammer long enough, it will eventually break bones, even if every hit before just glanced off causing no surface damage.  Collosi have the added weakness of being brittle; when a limb breaks, it breaks off.  But yeah, they're probably the hardest to injure creatures in the vanilla game.

[KrunkSplein]

I savescummed prior to my... meeting... with the Titan.  I then began a Rocky-esque training regimen.  I began by equipping several shields and laying down around a pack of wolves.  I wrestled everything I could, beginning most combats by gouging out eyes.  Finally, I sneaked around every place I went.  Before I knew it, I was a perfect physical specimen.  The only skills not legendary are Swordsman, Armor User and Wrestling.  I then took out two dark fortresses, each containing two-three towers.  Unfortunately I have yet to find the demon.

I decided it was once again time to fight the Titan.  It took almost a full day to find him in his lair.  I spotted him while sneaking, and spent a few turns chucking coins at him for fun.  Nothing came of it.  Finally I decided to just rush him.  Knowing now that he was brittle, I tried to lock his upper arms so I could break his shoulder (and thus remove the arm).  After a few turns of making the move only to have the hold broken, I picked up my sword and just hacked at him.  The first shot took off the arm I had been wrestling with before, and the second removed the head.

Now I continue my search for the goblin's patron Demon!

[Klendt]

I savescummed prior to my... meeting... with the Titan.  I then began a Rocky-esque training regimen.  I began by equipping several shields and laying down around a pack of wolves.  I wrestled everything I could, beginning most combats by gouging out eyes.  Finally, I sneaked around every place I went.  Before I knew it, I was a perfect physical specimen.  The only skills <B>not</B> legendary are Swordsman, Armor User and Wrestling.  I then took out two dark fortresses, each containing two-three towers.  Unfortunately I have yet to find the demon.<P>I decided it was once again time to fight the Titan.  It took almost a full day to find him in his lair.  I spotted him while sneaking, and spent a few turns chucking coins at him for fun.  Nothing came of it.  Finally I decided to just rush him.  Knowing now that he was brittle, I tried to lock his upper arms so I could break his shoulder (and thus remove the arm).  After a few turns of making the move only to have the hold broken, I picked up my sword and just hacked at him.  The first shot took off the arm I had been wrestling with before, and the second removed the head.<P>Now I continue my search for the goblin's patron Demon!

Haha, yeah, that's pretty typical. Spend all day going for their weakness, and then they die from your basic attack. Wind yourself lashing endlessly at that giant, and then the first pointed stick you throw tears its throat out. Spend all that time training in axeman, lop a goblin guard's arm off in the first turn and he responds by shooting you through the face with his crossbow.
Good luck with your demon hunt, Johnny Ballo'shields.

[Deon]

I personally don't like multi-shields bug, it's ok as long as it's in game (as long as the throwing bug) but I prefer to be dead in stupid or funny way to complete ownage with a few button clicks.

However sometimes I make it just for fun. Imagine an adventurer looking like a sphere surrounded by dozen of shields and throwing small rocks with a faster-than-light speed and machinegun frequency. =)

[Neoskel]

Wrestling is not so much complicated as just tedious.  In order to lock, and then break, joints you need to grab a body part with your hands, so stow your sword when you want to wrestle.  What makes it tedious is that you have to manually select what part of the enemy to grab, and what part of you to grab it with, and the hands are way down at the bottom of the list (ProTip: hit PageUp a few times).  Some joints can be broken with lower arms and such, but hands always work.<P>Ratman will be great for practicing since they have humanoid joints.  For extra fun, grab something by the head and gouge its eyes out, then grab a neck and strangle it.<P>I hope all that didn't seem condescending.

You only need hands to pinch and gouge out eyes, you can use anything to break joints. Including weapons.