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[WereDragon]

Im perfectly fine with undead showing up in fortress or adventure mode fully armored and with a weapon. What im less fine with is the sheer quantity that they come in. I love the undead in dwarf fortress, and being honest i like the sheer threat that twenty or so armed and armored zombies provide. Especially since they typically have some level of skill with the weapon they brought. I also dont mind an unmeetable invasion force. Suddenly being unable to access the surface isnt the worst problem in the world. I mean the undead can typically be stopped by a door. But zombies are almost always an unstoppable force. Which gets old, when the second invasion in two years is 80 undead strong, all of which are trained and well equipped humans/dwarves/elves. They even have metal arrows, and some have steel weapons. What happened to the swarms of peasants that must have made up the bulk of their forces in worldgen? You cant exactly start with 20 armed soldiers to kill more with.

As a result i think there’s something that could be done to benefit the undead to make them more fun to deal with. Instead of all the undead being trained soldiers with weapons. What if only about 20% were? An unequipped zombie is still a solid threat, then you could have large numbers of undead utilizing the swarm attack style that is classic for them, without them being TOO strong.

[FantasticDorf]

I think it'd probably have to go with a wider change about leaders with marshals and the like needing to properly train their w.g forces, much inline with a eventual army arc where you'd be drafting and presumably training soldiers offsite to a pooled army to send off. So what a necromancer trains is only to the level of what it kills, a lot of easily rolled over peasants isn't better for anything of a swarming mob, so a lot of the time the undead are ineffectual unless a person of talent/standing army dies on a battlefield or conflict with zombies or is turned by a necromancer plot with promises of power to be instrumental in raising their army to a wanted standard for their goals of conquest.

Bit like Sauruman in the twin towers raising Uruk Hai and mustering, they weren't ready to mobilize before the Ents destroyed the site but it was the training ground and focal point with the resources and people they were harvesting.