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Author Topic: Twitter is Dead, Long Live X!  (Read 65043 times)

jipehog

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Re: I deleted twitter and you should too
« Reply #660 on: May 19, 2023, 10:21:11 am »

If Twitter stops being free, it's gone.
The whole reason Government Officials use it to communicate is because it's free. They're not gonna pay to use it.

Frankly, nobody is going to pay to use it. Never in the history of the Internet has the business plan of taking something available for free and charging for it worked.
USA politicians spend exuberant sums on public relations, we are talking million even billions, 8$ is not going to put them off..

Otherwise, another constant in internet history was porn, piracy, shit content etc and its moderation, compared to that the war on drugs is a success. One of the good things about subscription model (along with "F2P") is that it provides a source of identification helping authorities track and raise  operation cost of nefarious actors who often operate tens of thousands of accounts. That coupled with language modules and AI in general can be instrumental in content moderations.

But it is possible that this isn't going to work, there are hundreds of ventures from big companies that have flopped and move on, so what? How many times Microsoft failed.. extreme risk aversion leads to stagnation and boring life. If he is willing to waste a fortune that is equal to over third of the world countries annual GDP, I say go for it.
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Re: I deleted twitter and you should too
« Reply #661 on: May 19, 2023, 10:27:05 am »

Ha
Please share more of your ignorance
Money spent must be tracked and allocated
I wasn't talking about Twitter as a campaign tool, but rather as a PSA system that has been used by Government Officials.
They can not use their campaign funds to do their job on Twitter. They instead have to get authorization to spend the money on Twitter. Which means they won't. Which means they will stop using Twitter.

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Re: I deleted twitter and you should too
« Reply #662 on: May 19, 2023, 10:35:53 am »

Maybe. Over here every politician gets funding for public relations to maintain contact with its voters which may include anything from office supplies to events to subscriptions. Regardless, I still doubt 8$ would be an issue.. 

Meanwhile Trump is coming back to Twitter and I will be watching what Moloch will conjure.. this polarization is self feeding..
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Re: I deleted twitter and you should too
« Reply #663 on: May 19, 2023, 10:44:40 am »

That seems unlikely, given his Twitter account was unbanned months ago, and the amount of money he’s put into his own social media nonsense.
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Re: I deleted twitter and you should too
« Reply #664 on: May 19, 2023, 01:50:22 pm »

Maybe. Over here every politician gets funding for public relations to maintain contact with its voters which may include anything from office supplies to events to subscriptions. Regardless, I still doubt 8$ would be an issue.. 
Yeah, you really don't get how anal retentive we are about money in the States. It's probably why we broke off from you.

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Re: I deleted twitter and you should too
« Reply #665 on: May 19, 2023, 06:54:14 pm »

Bottom line with large potion of USA adults using Twitter and large potion of them talking about politics twitter is influential in USA. Add to that an upcoming election year, at time when many believe that the future of America is at stake, and I am betting that majority (include politicians) wont be ceding the ground and will jump into the gladiator ring for their future and many of them even choose to pay 8$..

Edit: In a year+ time we will see which prediction turned out to be closer to the truth.
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Re: I deleted twitter and you should too
« Reply #666 on: May 19, 2023, 07:31:37 pm »

*shrugs* I mean, you don't have to predict all that much? Folks have been able to see what subscription numbers and whatnot are doing (trending downwards :V), and considering what's been going on in regards to the checkmark, that's pretty unsurprising. When you turn a useful service into a not useful service that doubles as an indicator you got grifted by a jackass, usage of that service tends to drop, heh.
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« Reply #667 on: May 20, 2023, 02:25:06 am »

Having to have a payed account is what killed a few of the image hosts while back which makes me think it'll do the same to twitter, because no one want's to pay for something they can get for free somewhere else.
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« Reply #668 on: May 20, 2023, 07:23:59 am »

Yeah, I don't think it'll put off the "advertisers" to have to pay such a small "advertising fee", under current conditions of nigh-on global dominence (everyone but me, it seems, using it), but if it doesn't feel like a good deal for the "consumers" to have the optional for-pay features used against themselves, be subject to the machinations of those that have bought into the system but have no real come-back unless they also subscribe...

[Just deleted a dozen rambling paragraphs, and several fetenete! It means I'm not showing my 'working', but it's a subjective assessment anyway. You can equally disagree with the conclusion with or without all this lot.]

...so if everyone is as typical as me (I'd be surprised!) the proposed business model can't work and it'll haemorrhage the passive-userbase, making it less useful for the paying userbase at whatever pricepoint and losing their interest too. Either this means removing some of the "Feemium" emphasis in "Freemium" or doubling-down (to use that old neologism) by raising the entry-fee to cover the net worth being shed (and further accelerating the dichotomy of design).


Having become something of a "meeting on the village common" sort of place, but globally, it has actually managed to get beyond "too big to fail" into potentially "too big to succeed" territory. Under the current model, anyway. Perhaps it could be retransformed into a global common-good [in now deleted paragraphs, I mentioned Usenet; though not in this new context of how it might organisationally/infrastructually be managed]... But, if not, it's surely going to lose out to the Next Big Thing™ in a "morph or die" manner. But not morph in any Musk-compatible way, if I'm any judge. He has the wrong mindset for this challenge. ((All hail Emperor Elon! Honestly, sire, and please believe me when I say this entire post is a joke. Using it against me in my future trial of Retroactive Sedition against Your Supreme Lordship's beneficient rule over the Peoples of both Earth and Mars is truly not worth troubling Yourself over, and I have never been a servant of the Arch-Fiend Bezos. Well, apart from buying one or two or a hundred things from Amazon in the era before Prime, but I didn't know that'd eventually lead to him building his own rockets and landers and eventually carving the Amazon 'Smile' across the face of the Moon, thus insulting Your Serene Empire on a near-daily basis for many days of each month.))
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Re: I deleted twitter and you should too
« Reply #669 on: May 20, 2023, 02:57:27 pm »

Today it becomes much easier to disrupt and influence conversation, and you can't have meeting of the village common without someone to keep the order.

With Twitter couple hundred million monthly active users, I bet that overwhelming majority don't have many followers, their chance to get to the top trending are unchanged.

Will it work? I have no idea. If I knew such stuff I would be on the shark tank trying to make millions rather than commenting online ;)
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« Reply #670 on: May 24, 2023, 04:39:01 pm »

Ron DeSantis to launch presidential campaign on Twitter with Elon Musk
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/23/ron-desantis-2024-republican-president-campaign

yes, lets moloch reign  :P 
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Re: I deleted twitter and you should too
« Reply #672 on: June 03, 2023, 01:48:31 pm »

Care to elaborate? As I find no discernible relation to the topic at hand.
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EuchreJack

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Re: I deleted twitter and you should too
« Reply #673 on: June 03, 2023, 02:14:43 pm »

Oh, that was Facebook, not Twitter. Have to wait & see if African Courts are willing to go after Twitter as well. But they're building a legal framework under which they could.
TikTok as well.

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Re: I deleted twitter and you should too
« Reply #674 on: June 03, 2023, 02:26:53 pm »

And about unlawful layoffs.. I think you got mislead by their job description
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