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[Loud Whispers]

Your quote formatting is invading my eyeballs.

Where's the proof? That formatting is just home grown eye insurrectionists who've declared independence from your brain. No invasions here

[King Zultan]

All these Putin fans come in here with boring long posts, I wish we'd get one in here with some entertaining conspiracy level shit to bombard us with.

[hector13]

That’s what I’ve been saying! At least entertain us if you’re going to be an idiot.

[Strongpoint]

RD probably does not want my endorsement, but the fact is that he is right. Everyone, including the Ukrainian government, agreed that when the guy from our church was killed in Donetsk, it was the Azov battalion that was responsible. They promised to prosecute. And yet...

Citation needed. I'll even accept a Russian source to start digging. What event are you talking about? After all, promises and statements of the government are quite public

[MaxTheFox]

That’s what I’ve been saying! At least entertain us if you’re going to be an idiot.

ikr. It's just sad. If they were Z-ombified fellow Russians I'd understand. I'd still insult and hate them but I'd understand. The Americans who choose to suck off Putin are just pathetic.

[jipehog]

Do they? From USA perspective, Russia is not a peer or near-peer competitor, USA only threat is China who is also the biggest beneficiary of this war. There are a lot of people in USA who believes that their support should be limited. Naturally decision makers also have to contend with public opinion and such sentiments will be unpopular (, may not want to raise public tension vis a vis China at this time etc) hence why some would choose to play into existing narratives that would shape popular support in the direction they seek.

Essentially, this is the game, the narratives are crafted to suit ones goals not the other way around. You have similar thing with climate change. The real question isn't whether it is happening, it is what we are going to do about it, it is multi billion (if not trillion) dollar question.

The common extremes is that the end is nigh and we need to go all in on green tech vs its fake/alarmism we don't need todo anything technology and private sector will sort it out as they always do. More importantly, one should understand that climate change is global problem, but green tech is not a viable or desirable solution for everyone, and thus someone will need to pick up the slack. Then there are super national considerations, and political realities.

For example, in Russia solar and wind energy are not as viable as they are in north Africa and north-west Europe respectively. Russia lack the infrastructure, even countries like Germany had issues, and Russia due to dilapidated state and its huge size would need to invest MUCH more with far LESS profit margins (wrose if you consider electric car charging stations). There are security considerations, many advanced schemes require cooperation and dependence on other countries, and one may not want the possibility of your industry grinding into halt with a flick of switch or hitting couple of main transmission lines. Finally, there are economic realities (Russia have a lot of cheap fissile fuels) and the global market.

Now ask yourself will Russian politicians who seek to stay in power, in age of social media populism/outrage and short attention span, try to educate their populace about the state of their country (which would have many negative effects to the economy ) or give ambiguous answers playing into existing narratives that gets them there..

[bloop_bleep]

According to you every successful vote of no confidence means the new government is a rebel government and and is an invitation to invade. Do you hear yourself?

These guys who supposedly didn't "recognize the new government's authority" were Russian plants who ran in moments before to set up shop. DPR and LPR are transparent farces. They have no legitimacy from the people or anything else. They are completely full of nothing but Russian criminals. LPR's minister of culture is an actual fucking prostitute. It's a sick joke.

It is so abundantly not-a-secret that Russian government sent some cronies over the border to yak a little about some supposed new government (which just coincidentally wants to join Russia) to paint some shitty half-assed-as-always veneer of legitimacy over their expansionism and you just eat it up hook, line, and sinker.

A vote of no-confidence is not a rebellion.  It is a legal process to remove a leader from office, a rebellion is an illegal overthrow of a government, the key element here is LAW.  You can spout conspiracy theories about little green men sneaking into Ukraine and forcing the local Ukrainians to set up sham governments all you wish, they remain unproven claims and there is no point in debating with people guillable enough to simply state unproven claims as certain, unquestionable fact.

Tell me, what do you think actually happened at Euromaidan? Give me a rundown. How did Yanukovych vacate the office of President? Who broke the law in any meaningful way, other than state authorities who killed protestors?

I am still amazed anyone would defend the Yanukovych government, which was literally the world's epitome of criminality and corruption, as Transparency International says.

If people protesting in the town square is such a sad disregard of law for you, what do you say about unelected, violent "separatists" storming and taking control of elected regional administrations with arms, which by the way had not changed in Euromaidan? These same separatists who then set up whatever you call this horrific circus.

If the people you keep defending on legal grounds consistently happen to be the absolute scum of the earth, it may be time to reflect on the validity or relevance of these legal grounds.

[EuchreJack]

Do they? From USA perspective, Russia is not a peer or near-peer competitor, USA only threat is China who is also the biggest beneficiary of this war. There are a lot of people in USA who believes that their support should be limited. Naturally decision makers also have to contend with public opinion and such sentiments will be unpopular (, may not want to raise public tension vis a vis China at this time etc) hence why some would choose to play into existing narratives that would shape popular support in the direction they seek.

Essentially, this is the game, the narratives are crafted to suit ones goals not the other way around. You have similar thing with climate change. The real question isn't whether it is happening, it is what we are going to do about it, it is multi billion (if not trillion) dollar question.

The common extremes is that the end is nigh and we need to go all in on green tech vs its fake/alarmism we don't need todo anything technology and private sector will sort it out as they always do. More importantly, one should understand that climate change is global problem, but green tech is not a viable or desirable solution for everyone, and thus someone will need to pick up the slack. Then there are super national considerations, and political realities.

For example, in Russia solar and wind energy are not as viable as they are in north Africa and north-west Europe respectively. Russia lack the infrastructure, even countries like Germany had issues, and Russia due to dilapidated state and its huge size would need to invest MUCH more with far LESS profit margins (wrose if you consider electric car charging stations). There are security considerations, many advanced schemes require cooperation and dependence on other countries, and one may not want the possibility of your industry grinding into halt with a flick of switch or hitting couple of main transmission lines. Finally, there are economic realities (Russia have a lot of cheap fissile fuels) and the global market.

Now ask yourself will Russian politicians who seek to stay in power, in age of social media populism/outrage and short attention span, try to educate their populace about the state of their country (which would have many negative effects to the economy ) or give ambiguous answers playing into existing narratives that gets them there..

Translation:
Republicans Like Russia because Russia gives them money.
Democrats Like China because China gives them money.

Ergo, Republicans Hate China
Ergo, Democrats Hate Russia

Thus, Republicans Hate those who Hate Russia
Thus, Democrats Hate those who Hate China

Look at how the Democrats are dancing around the Chinese "weather balloon".
While honoring a brave dead American Hero...to fund Ukraine against Russia.

The US only has two political parties: Russia's Proxies and China's Proxies.
There is one horrible alternative...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Think for yourselves

[EuchreJack]

According to you every successful vote of no confidence means the new government is a rebel government and and is an invitation to invade. Do you hear yourself?

These guys who supposedly didn't "recognize the new government's authority" were Russian plants who ran in moments before to set up shop. DPR and LPR are transparent farces. They have no legitimacy from the people or anything else. They are completely full of nothing but Russian criminals. LPR's minister of culture is an actual fucking prostitute. It's a sick joke.

It is so abundantly not-a-secret that Russian government sent some cronies over the border to yak a little about some supposed new government (which just coincidentally wants to join Russia) to paint some shitty half-assed-as-always veneer of legitimacy over their expansionism and you just eat it up hook, line, and sinker.

A vote of no-confidence is not a rebellion.  It is a legal process to remove a leader from office, a rebellion is an illegal overthrow of a government, the key element here is LAW.  You can spout conspiracy theories about little green men sneaking into Ukraine and forcing the local Ukrainians to set up sham governments all you wish, they remain unproven claims and there is no point in debating with people guillable enough to simply state unproven claims as certain, unquestionable fact.

Tell me, what do you think actually happened at Euromaidan? Give me a rundown. How did Yanukovych vacate the office of President? Who broke the law in any meaningful way, other than state authorities who killed protestors?

I am still amazed anyone would defend the Yanukovych government, which was literally the world's epitome of criminality and corruption, as Transparency International says.

If people protesting in the town square is such a sad disregard of law for you, what do you say about unelected, violent "separatists" storming and taking control of elected regional administrations with arms, which by the way had not changed in Euromaidan? These same separatists who then set up whatever you call this horrific circus.

If the people you keep defending on legal grounds consistently happen to be the absolute scum of the earth, it may be time to reflect on the validity or relevance of these legal grounds.

Please stop engaging with Red Diamond. I told them I didn't think they belonged in this particular thread, so stop inviting them back in.
You are both free to start up another discussion elsewhere.

[Lord Shonus]

Look at how the Democrats are dancing around the Chinese "weather balloon".
While honoring a brave dead American Hero...to fund Ukraine against Russia.

I mentioned this in the dedicated thread, but doing anything more about the Chinese spy balloon than they're currently doing would be really, really stupid. On a 1 to 10 scale of International Incident Severity, it doesn't even merit a 1.

[hector13]

toad-edit: removed a drive-by troll remark above this

They’re not breaking rules per se, but… it’s pretty clear from reading any thread with a political shade that the forum leans pretty strongly to the left, so to create an account to shit on left-leaning positions is just… really bizarre.

[EuchreJack]

They’re not breaking rules per se, but… it’s pretty clear from reading any thread with a political shade that the forum leans pretty strongly to the left, so to create an account to shit on left-leaning positions is just… really bizarre.

Fuck you, libtard 

...that being said, playing Toady's earlier work, Liberal Crime Squad, needs to be mandatory for all prospective forumites.

[hector13]

They’re not breaking rules per se, but… it’s pretty clear from reading any thread with a political shade that the forum leans pretty strongly to the left, so to create an account to shit on left-leaning positions is just… really bizarre.

Fuck you, libtard 

Well you don’t shit in things for no reason, you usually have at least a minor attachment to reality for your beliefs :p

[EuchreJack]

They’re not breaking rules per se, but… it’s pretty clear from reading any thread with a political shade that the forum leans pretty strongly to the left, so to create an account to shit on left-leaning positions is just… really bizarre.

Fuck you, libtard 

Well you don’t shit in things for no reason, you usually have at least a minor attachment to reality for your beliefs :p

Which gives me the high ground, I wager. 

[MaxTheFox]

So I guess we are being raided. Womdeful.