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[KittyTac]

Or Russia's government is overthrown and the people in charge want to consolidate power rather than focus on a war

Overthrown Russian government changes little. A huge majority of Russians have the ideology that Ukraine doesn't exist (or should not exist) and this means that the war will continue. It may merely temporarily deescalate. Russian culture, as it is, is incompatible with Ukraine.

Whatever you say. I don't believe you.

[MaxTheFox]

I smell the start of another stupid argument that gets the thread locked. Let's not.

[Strongpoint]

Or Russia's government is overthrown and the people in charge want to consolidate power rather than focus on a war

Overthrown Russian government changes little. A huge majority of Russians have the ideology that Ukraine doesn't exist (or should not exist) and this means that the war will continue. It may merely temporarily deescalate. Russian culture, as it is, is incompatible with Ukraine.

Whatever you say. I don't believe you.

I could write walls of text about contemporary Russian culture and ideas. About Russian history curriculum in Russian schools. About modern Russian music, including non-mainstream artists. About modern Russian cinematography with marvelous TV-series. About modern Russian literature and selective popularity of Russian classical literature (which is usually twisted and misinterpreted). Show how Ukraine and Ukrainians portrayed in all of the above. Then do the same for the art of the Soviet period and show that it isn't something new, it merely became worse. 

I won't. I'll merely express my personal opinion that Russian culture (as it exists now) is incompatible with the idea of any independent Ukraine and restrain myself from trying to prove the validity of my opinion. You are free to believe whatever you want.

One saving grace is that many, many young Russians prefer anime and Netflix to all of that, so the hope is not entirely lost but it won't shift the culture quickly. Also, I expect something like the Great Chinese Firewall of Russia soonish.

[Starver]

Also, I expect something like the Great Chinese Firewall of Russia soonish.

Already well in hand, although I'm surprised I haven't heard much about it since the 'Special Military Operation' started. (Or maybe the reason I haven't heard much is that it's been rather effective? Though we have Max/etc here still, so...)


Can't find many definite early references (several before 2019, but a bit vaguer), yet I think it's been in the offing for more than a decade. Not even counting the "Hey, YouTube/Google/etc, don't let my Russian people see <foo>" that they're not the only regime to have preferences about...

[eerr]

okay, so if you find 100% of what someone is saying to be bullshit and misleading, they're a good candidate for the forum's block function.

"You are ignoring this user. Show me the post."

[heydude6]

Umm... I think you're in the wrong thread dude. This your first time here and you post a non-sequiter.

[eerr]

Umm... I think you're in the wrong thread dude. This your first time here and you post a non-sequiter.

Nope, this is the right thread, I'm just tired of hearing misleading propaganda and manipulation out of people like euchre

[Random_Dragon]

Dare I ask what parts in particular? EJ usually saves his hot takes for ameripol from what I've seen. :V

[heydude6]

Dare I ask what parts in particular?

Don't. If he had something to say he would have opened with that rather than make vague accusations designed to rile people up.

[MaxTheFox]

Also, I expect something like the Great Chinese Firewall of Russia soonish.

Already well in hand, although I'm surprised I haven't heard much about it since the 'Special Military Operation' started. (Or maybe the reason I haven't heard much is that it's been rather effective? Though we have Max/etc here still, so...)


Can't find many definite early references (several before 2019, but a bit vaguer), yet I think it's been in the offing for more than a decade. Not even counting the "Hey, YouTube/Google/etc, don't let my Russian people see <foo>" that they're not the only regime to have preferences about...

Yeah they're too incompetent to do anything on that scale. I have Tor and a VPN anyways.

[Strongpoint]

Bay12 is a good forum but it would be epic with a good moderator team. It is plain impossible for one man to maintain proper order...

Jumping into a discussion with no useful contribution whatsoever besides announcing "please ignore this awful user X like I do" WILL result in a (totally deserved) temporary ban on well-moderated forums. But we can't bother Toady with dealing with such minor rudeness. Another side effect of a one-man team is that quite a few interesting users god lifelong bans for transgressions that didn't warrant one...

But if we live in a relative anarchy... Let's discuss a very relevant subject... Is eerr a Russian vatnik, a tankie, a neo-nazi, a conspiracy theorist or simply a moron? (Just in case you think I am serious: Let's not)

And I know that he'll read this even if I am also an honored member of his ignore list because usually people claiming they use an ignore list either don't use it or simply click "show post" every time.

[MaxTheFox]

[hector13]

Nah Toady gives people a long leash. Multiple talkings to, temporary mutes and the like before wielding the banhammer. If someone got banned round here, they ignored multiple opportunities to address the behaviour or issue that lead to it.

[MaxTheFox]

Nah Toady gives people a long leash. Multiple talkings to, temporary mutes and the like before wielding the banhammer. If someone got banned round here, they ignored multiple opportunities to address the behaviour or issue that lead to it.

Yeah I got into several shitfights these past few months, about a variety of topics, and didn't get a single warning. Toady is lenient, this community does an OK job at policing itself.

[MCreeper]

Nah, if there is a whole moderator team, they likely become worst trolls and flooders of all, because they can't ban each other for arguing with themselves. Let there be one ruler, one king.