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Author Topic: Emotional Responses to War in Ukraine - Personal Diary & Mutual Support  (Read 137695 times)

Grim Portent

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« Reply #555 on: June 16, 2022, 06:28:50 am »

Presumably someone told him the optics of his previous statements weren't good.

Or maybe he''s legitimately changed his mind. Hard to tell with public figures.
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« Reply #556 on: June 16, 2022, 06:37:36 am »

I don't care for "understanding" the other side if they are fascists. The only thing to understand about them is how to fuck them over.
Yes yes we know you hate Nazis and what you perceive to be Nazis you've said it several thousand times now.
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« Reply #557 on: June 16, 2022, 07:06:53 am »

“France has been alongside Ukraine since day one. We stand with the Ukrainians without ambiguity. Ukraine must resist and win,” Macron told journalists in Irpin in response to a question on his previous remarks that Russia must not be humiliated.

Who is this guy and where is the real Macron?

When I read the news, I had to re-read that part to make sure I hadn't read wrong, lol.

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« Reply #558 on: June 16, 2022, 07:10:58 am »

In the meantime, China is shifting from neutral to pro-Russia.
https://www.politico.eu/article/china-xi-give-most-direct-backing-putin-invasion-ukraine/
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« Reply #559 on: June 16, 2022, 08:46:22 am »

In the meantime, China is shifting from neutral to pro-Russia.
https://www.politico.eu/article/china-xi-give-most-direct-backing-putin-invasion-ukraine/
No sign that it's anywhere as much significantly helping out Russia than it's targetted at furthing pure Chinese interests, though. Perhaps a non-subtle backstop against which to leverage China's interactions with the rest of the (nominally sane) world. Putin isn't gaining much more from this (alone). And the Russia-China bridge opened last week with much ceremony was not in response to current needs (the fireworks/etc might have been adjusted a bit to current political detente).

China really has the advantage in the modern world, as a whole. The days when the Soviet Union was the prime Second-World influencer in the Third-World is long-gone, with Belt-And-Road stuff from the new juggernaut of the world in most products (except food? ...not sure how they are in the food game, even against the now broken breadbaskets of .ru/.ue). Perhaps why they tried to grab-back the First-World Aspirant (or even Achiever). And while hydrocarbons are still something Russia has not (by both its own efforts and the majority of Western countries) fully stemmed the flow of towards the previously willing partners in trade, pretty much everything else has been slammed into touch by one or other sanction/boycott actions.

Once the oil and gas thing is rearranged, assuming the need isn't relaxed before the final valves are fully closed, the 'free world' will still have its dependency upon the Chinese market-regions like Shenzhen or via the Cantonese Expo/etc. Russia has nothing like it.

(They have the 'industry' of Baikonur, which hasn't yet been overtaken by Jiuquan, but with NASA/ESA/etc facilities already taking the slack up (space-agency or corporates like SpaceX and the other up-and-coming hopefuls from Bezos, Branson and others that don't necessarily start with Bs). They no longer even have the monopoly in man-rated launches like they did post-Shuttle, though China has not done too much to 'export' their capability in that, and prior to Boeing proving itself properly we're left with just Elon's ride for to-/beyond-orbit possibilities.)
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« Reply #560 on: June 16, 2022, 12:37:47 pm »

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1537451382608912384

Now, Russian TV casually discusses a possible execution of two American POW
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« Reply #561 on: June 16, 2022, 03:41:37 pm »

“France has been alongside Ukraine since day one. We stand with the Ukrainians without ambiguity. Ukraine must resist and win,” Macron told journalists in Irpin in response to a question on his previous remarks that Russia must not be humiliated.

Who is this guy and where is the real Macron?

I'm just going to assume the "Resist and win" Macron is the real one.  Totally legit that guy, not the other one.

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« Reply #562 on: June 17, 2022, 02:12:07 am »

Ukrainian Navy claims that the Russian 1200t tug Vasily Bekh was destroyed by two Harpoon missiles. It carried TOR SAM system, supplies and fresh troops to the Snake Island

If true, it may be the first successful use of Harpoons in the war
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« Reply #563 on: June 17, 2022, 03:14:57 am »

I've always noticed that French people were selfish and self centered.
*gallic shrug of contempt*
Probably should have worded that better I didn't mean all French people.
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« Reply #564 on: June 17, 2022, 04:42:01 am »

Ukrainian Navy claims that the Russian 1200t tug Vasily Bekh was destroyed by two Harpoon missiles. It carried TOR SAM system, supplies and fresh troops to the Snake Island

If true, it may be the first successful use of Harpoons in the war

There is video purporting to be the missile strike.



There are also reports that Ukraine used a tactical ballistic missile to destroy a major artillery ammunition storage depot in  Krasnyi Luch, which might be eniugh to slow or even halt a major portion of the Russian offensive for a time.
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« Reply #566 on: June 17, 2022, 11:21:08 am »

Official Message from your OP: I'm opened up the Junior Reporter thread's restrictions a bit on commenting.  So if anyone posts a news article over there, and you have some thoughts on that article, you can discuss the news in the Junior Reporter thread.  Or here, that is fine too.

My thoughts: It seems we are moving into a new stage with our perceptions of the War in Ukraine.  It is no longer the recent invasion and now it is the long term struggle.
Less time is spent discussing the specific events of the war, and more time is spend discussing the effects of the war.

I know a lot of Americans don't want to fund it at the same level. Which to me, makes sense.  Guns are more expensive than ammo, on the most basic level of understanding.

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« Reply #567 on: June 17, 2022, 11:54:25 am »

"War fatigue" is obviously happening in the West. It isn't something new and exciting. It is background now...

I knew that this would happen.
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« Reply #568 on: June 17, 2022, 12:27:17 pm »

"War fatigue" is obviously happening in the West. It isn't something new and exciting. It is background now...

I knew that this would happen.

I'm actually quite surprised that many news outlets still have live updates going. Which is a positive thing.

I've also had to stop myself from reading the news constantly (for my own sanity), but I still check them several times a day.

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« Reply #569 on: June 17, 2022, 12:40:33 pm »

Yeah, stopping myself from reading my Twitter feed every 10 minutes (like during the first weeks) is a constant struggle for me.
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