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[EuchreJack]

While I am very much in favor of civilian criminal procedural law being used, I think the reality is that the vast majority of perpetrators will be returning to Russia and protected by the Russian government at the end of the War.

[hector13]

The guy that was recently tried for war crimes in Ukraine didn’t get any support from Russia.

I expect that’s the exception rather than the rule though.

[King Zultan]

especially if Russia decides to destroy their paper trail.

Given how much of a shit fest this whole thing has been I doubt there is much documentation for what the hell these people are doing.

[brewer bob]

The guy that was recently tried for war crimes in Ukraine didn’t get any support from Russia.

I expect that’s the exception rather than the rule though.

Or that the fate of rank-and-file soldiers isn't of much concern. I'd assume some high brass ones might get support.

[Strongpoint]

Well I hope those soldiers die in the most painful manner. If I was an Ukrainian commander and they got captured by my unit, I'd... I won't say it here for forum rules' sake.

If I was a commander in this hypothetical situation I would be either like "Nice additions to the POW exchange fund, it can be used for freeing some of our guys." or "eeew..." shot it and resume the mission.

To win a war one needs cold pragmatism. Not to mention that torturing an evil monster won't undo the evil it done.

[King Zultan]

shot it and resume the mission.

Sometimes dead is better.

[Strongpoint]

So, today I learned that a guy I knew is KIA. On the other side. One of the conscripts from the "Donetsk People's Republic."

He always was of the "politics don't concern me." types. Never participated in any elections. He never was a pro-Russian, just had that vague "Ukrainians and Russians are brothers and all of this is political games and I don't want to hear about your irrational hatred towards Russian people."

I literally begged him to leave this increasingly lawless territory of the "DPR" for years. Tried to explain that there he'll have no future, no decent career, no anything. That situation will only get worse. The answer was always the same - "it is my home and I can't leave my parents and it will be better once politicians will stop playing their games..."

He was force-drafted and ended his life as cannon fodder, died for no reason at all. "I am not interested in politics" can have an awful price tag attached.

[MaxTheFox]

Well that sucks man. Losing someone you knew is always terrible.

[brewer bob]

I'm sorry for your loss.

[Strongpoint]

I'm sorry for your loss.

No, he wasn't a close friend or something like that. Just someone I shared some interests with. I care more about Ukrainian soldiers who I knew only from few posts in social networks.

It is just... sad... The whole Donbass region is getting depopulated like that. There will be very few men left there. In part, it is the result of their own decisions, of their actions... or inaction.

[EuchreJack]

So continuing this conversation, I think any infantry conscript prisoners captured by Ukraine will just be labeled Traitors, then abandoned and forgotten. It's only those rare pilots that Russia cares about.

As for my friend, I think I figured him out.
He's desperate to feel intellectually superior to everyone else. Since most people know that the Russians are in the wrong, his only way to "Know better than the dumb masses" is to believe the Russians. It quite pitiful. I kinda wish I could just cut the guy out of my life, but that is not good business.

[heydude6]

I consider contrarianism as a form of mental illness for a reason. It’s one thing to look at a situation objectively and then come up with an unpopular conclusion, it’s another to have a mind that constantly forces itself to do so regardless of the facts.

You have my condolences. We can only hope he learns humility one day.

[scriver]

I consider contrarianism as a form of mental illness for a reason.

I disagree.

[Strongpoint]

So, today is 3 months since this stage of the war started. It feels like 3 years. And I have a strong feeling that the next three months will be even more deadly than the first.

Severedonetsk (~100K pre-war population) is about to become surrounded and face the same fate as Mariupol. We can only hope that the help will arrive in time, before forces there will be forced to surrender

It is an open secret that Ukraine will start a major counteroffensive in 4-8 weeks, preparations are too obvious. I don't even want to think about what kind of casualties will come then.

[Strongpoint]

So, I decided it's probably useless.
Thanks for the help.
I at least have more information.

When someone says "insufficient evidence" now, they're almost certainly not open to rational arguments. By far the best way to convince someone like that is if he would spend some time in Ukraine, get to know some people there and befriend them. Our opinion is all too often based on emotion and only look for some rational arguments as an afterthought.

Quoting the news thread

My friends host a family of refugees from Mariupol. The family that lost everything because of Russians, their apartment ceased to exist. Their city ceased to exist.

Who do they blame? Ukrainian nationalist government failed to reach a diplomatic solution with Russian brothers who were forced to this action by the USA and NATO. Also, if that Pesky Azov surrendered immediately, Mariupol would be intact.

Irrational people are like this. If facts contradict their beliefs... Facts will be ignored and twisted