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[Strongpoint]

It is horrible, but as my philosophy is basically human-centric, I can't support the extinction of humanity, even if it saves other species.

There will be no extinction. I can't imagine a single man-made event that won't leave enough people to reproduce. Even in case of full nuclear exchange, there will be places with human populations with DNA pools of sufficient size.

[EuchreJack]

It is horrible, but as my philosophy is basically human-centric, I can't support the extinction of humanity, even if it saves other species.

To be clear, me neither. I was venting my darkest feelings there, not expressing what I seriously think.

On the bright side of things, events in Ukraine have been a wake-up call for me to stop sleepwalking through life, to get into action and help build a future. See if there is some community working on a 100% sustainable way of life and join it.

Please don't join a cult.  Usually the cult leader is kinda ugly and insists on sleeping with everyone.

Transforming that into a positive, you should instead strive to make your existing community work to be closer to 100% sustainable.

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BBC reports that Ukraine fears children taken to Russia might be subjected to child trafficking.

Spoiler: from BBC live updates (click to show/hide)

Ukraine voices fears over child trafficking

Ukraine's foreign ministry says it is concerned that children taken to Russia, including those orphaned during the conflict, could be given up for adoption by Russian families, the Interfax Ukraine news agency reports.

It says the ministry claims there are reports that authorities in the self-proclaimed republics of Donetsk and Luhansk are planning to sign deals with Russia's education ministry to traffic children from those regions.

In a letter to the UNHCR, UNICEF, the Red Cross and other agencies, the foreign ministry describes such actions as kidnapping.

No duh.  They're just now figuring out that the whole point of the Russians taking Ukrainian children is so they can give them to childless Russian Oligarchs/Bureaucrats/Generals?   

[martinuzz]

Here's the news about it from BBC:

Moskva warship has sunk - Russian state media

Russia's defence ministry says its Moskva missile ship has sunk, state media is reporting.

Ukraine says it carried out a strike on the vessel, while Russia claims ammunition on board blew up.

"During the towing of the Moskva cruiser to the port of destination, due to damage to the hull received during the fire from the detonation of ammunition, the ship lost stability," the Russian military department said in a statement.

"In the conditions of stormy seas, the ship sank," it added.

Hurray!
Now that's a costly loss. Those things take years to build

[EuchreJack]

Here's the news about it from BBC:

Moskva warship has sunk - Russian state media

Russia's defence ministry says its Moskva missile ship has sunk, state media is reporting.

Ukraine says it carried out a strike on the vessel, while Russia claims ammunition on board blew up.

"During the towing of the Moskva cruiser to the port of destination, due to damage to the hull received during the fire from the detonation of ammunition, the ship lost stability," the Russian military department said in a statement.

"In the conditions of stormy seas, the ship sank," it added.

Hurray!
Now that's a costly loss. Those things take years to build

A bit of good news and deserved vengeance.  Here is to plenty of future "ammunition accidents"!

[Grim Portent]

I find myself surprised at the way Russia wants to be viewed when they claim things like 'ammunition detonations' sunk one of their warships. Surely it's better optics to be sunk by enemy action than by carelessness or poor maintenance. 'Course I'm not an oligarchic dictator, so my perspective is probably skewed on which looks better.

[Ganondworf]

I find myself surprised at the way Russia wants to be viewed when they claim things like 'ammunition detonations' sunk one of their warships. Surely it's better optics to be sunk by enemy action than by carelessness or poor maintenance. 'Course I'm not an oligarchic dictator, so my perspective is probably skewed on which looks better.

Well, accidents can happen even to the best, while looking vulnerable to an inferior enemy is to be avoided at all costs. The oligarchic dictator rules by being the stronkest man in da hood. Appearing weak means competitors will try to challenge him.

Surely you remember all the "manliest of men" pictures Putin likes to promote his manliness?

[Loud Whispers]

I find myself surprised at the way Russia wants to be viewed when they claim things like 'ammunition detonations' sunk one of their warships. Surely it's better optics to be sunk by enemy action than by carelessness or poor maintenance. 'Course I'm not an oligarchic dictator, so my perspective is probably skewed on which looks better.

This is the same President who didn't mobilise hospitals because then it'd look like they expected casualties or refused foreign sub rescue teams because then their crisis would look like a crisis

Seems like they just always take the laziest excuse because they know even if the lie is obvious, loyalists will accept the lie and anyone who doesn't tow the line is marked as a dissident

[Starver]

I should have at least checked this thread before posting my news query in yon other... Repeated some points positted here, sorry.

[EuchreJack]

You are forgiven, my son.

[Strongpoint]

Reading Sevastopol city forum is so entertaining But one needs to refresh a lot to not miss all posts deleted by moderators.

[Starver]

(Reporter thread, 'emotional' response.)

Russia says it will hit Kyiv with bombs and rocket attacks in revenge for the 'terrorist sabotage attacks on Russia'.

...well, that ship has sailed. And now been sunk, I suppose.

(More seriously, could it be a casus (post-)belli... "Of course there's missile damage, we had to launch that attack due to the unprovoked attack by Ukraine." Spun through the usual "We have always (not) been at war with..." revisionism.)

[Strongpoint]

Kremlin spokesman Dmitri Peskov: “If Ukraine continues its provocations by attacking Russian cities, Russia will be forced to declare war"

IMO, Russia may need a declaration of war only for two purposes - General mobilization or use of nukes.

Also, expect a false flag operation with many civilian casualties

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https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1514941186397683715 Ukraine is winning the trolling war

[EuchreJack]

Not for nothing, but when your cities are getting attacked, it is generally considered acceptable to counter-attack the other side's cities.  It is called WAR.
The real question is whether the targets are valid military targets, such as manufacturing, infrastructure, etc. Or just pure civilian targets.

Not that I believe the reports are anything other than false flag operations by Russia.

Going back, the report about the fuel dump in Russia being destroyed was probably just the Russian military hiding that they already sold the fuel on the black market.

[Vector]

My childhood friend who came here as a refugee at age 3, as it turns out, came from Kharkiv.

I finally got some donation links from him. PM me if you want to be passed the information.

[EuchreJack]

Russian General gets himself killed so he'll stop killing civilians:

BBC reports that one more Russian general is dead.

Spoiler: from BBC live updates (click to show/hide)

Another Russian general reported dead

The deputy commander of the 8th army of Russia's armed forces, Vladimir Petrovich Frolov, has died in the war in Ukraine, the Russian news agency TASS has reported.

The news was confirmed by St Petersburg governor Alexander Beglov. Beglov said: "Vladimir Petrovich Frolov died a heroic death in battle with Ukrainian nationalists."

The governor said Frolov "sacrificed his life so that children, women and the elderly in the Donbas would no longer hear bomb explosions. To stop waiting for death and leaving home, to say goodbye as if it were the last time".

But most of the shelling taking place in Ukraine is being carried out by Russia.

Throughout the war several Russian generals and high-ranking military personnel have been reported dead. It is unusual for such high-ranking officers to put themselves in danger by getting so close to the battlefield, and Western sources believe that they have done so in order to get some control over operations which have, in some areas, badly stalled.