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[MaxTheFox]

So how is the Ukraine supposed to protect the civilians in cities if they can't have soldiers in cities?

That's the neat thing, they can't. Amnesty can go and shove their accusations up their collective ass.

[Strongpoint]

So, the first strike into Crimea... I mean Russians really should stop smoking near their military airbases.

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I can't... Internet is full of videos of MASSIVE explosions and Russian official news are like "Nothing major happened, few bombs accidentally detonated, no causalities and no damaged aircrafts. And Ukrainians have nothing to do with this."

[Lord Shonus]

It is interesting that we're recently finding about US aid by Russia complaining about the wreckage. Their use of the AGM-88 HARM from an unknown platform was not announced until after AGM-88 wreckage was posted on social media.

[hector13]

So how is the Ukraine supposed to protect the civilians in cities if they can't have soldiers in cities?

That's the neat thing, they can't. Amnesty can go and shove their accusations up their collective ass.

Amnesty didn’t say they can’t have soldiers in cities.

[Strongpoint]

So how is the Ukraine supposed to protect the civilians in cities if they can't have soldiers in cities?

That's the neat thing, they can't. Amnesty can go and shove their accusations up their collective ass.

Amnesty didn’t say they can’t have soldiers in cities.

They said exactly that. I made a long post quoting relevant parts of their "report" that say exactly that. Move to military bases and wooded areas and get killed there)))

[hector13]

So how is the Ukraine supposed to protect the civilians in cities if they can't have soldiers in cities?

That's the neat thing, they can't. Amnesty can go and shove their accusations up their collective ass.

Amnesty didn’t say they can’t have soldiers in cities.

They said exactly that. I made a long post quoting relevant parts of their "report" that say exactly that. Move to military bases and wooded areas and get killed there)))

When alternatives are available they should be used, is what they said.

[Madman198237]

And the whole point is that there AREN'T alternatives available. Not unless you want your populace to return to places with no housing, no industry, no infrastructure, etc. Unless you think that A. the Russians will just leave without being forced out, violently or B. the Russians are going to find any problem with demolishing a city if, somehow, Ukraine manages to beat superior Russian numbers in the open field and forces the Russians to retreat.

There is absolutely nothing for it but to fight from the cities, which are both the location that must be defended the most AND the easiest places to defend. Losing the entire country to literally genocidal maniacs in exchange for slightly less threat to civilians is...not an option. Not a realistic, reasonable, or conscionable one anyway.

[hector13]

And the whole point is that there AREN'T alternatives available. Not unless you want your populace to return to places with no housing, no industry, no infrastructure, etc. Unless you think that A. the Russians will just leave without being forced out, violently or B. the Russians are going to find any problem with demolishing a city if, somehow, Ukraine manages to beat superior Russian numbers in the open field and forces the Russians to retreat.

There is absolutely nothing for it but to fight from the cities, which are both the location that must be defended the most AND the easiest places to defend. Losing the entire country to literally genocidal maniacs in exchange for slightly less threat to civilians is...not an option. Not a realistic, reasonable, or conscionable one anyway.

Again someone is coming from the position that Amnesty said not to fight in cities.

The report said the military should use viable alternatives if available, and if not, make every available effort to protect civilians nearby.

The advice is “be better”, which is shit advice, yes, but it is not “LET RUSSIA OVERRUN YOUR POSITIONS WITH NO RESISTANCE AND RAPE PILLAGE AND MURDER THEIR WAY TO KYIV YOU FUCKS”, as everyone here appears to think.

[Starver]

So, the first strike into Crimea... I mean Russians really should stop smoking near their military airbases.

So, we finally get to see what Medvedev meant by "Judgement Day will instantly await" if anything like this happened. Perhaps. So am now awaiting. Instantly!

(I presume that's a decent translation with nuance transposed across the linguistic gap. But it may be a bit of a Google Translate atrocity of (non)sense rather than a brain-in-neutral/mouth-in-gear oddness even in the original.) ((Or, indeed, if the error wasn't a thinko at this end, someone mistranscribing "instantly awake"!))

[Strongpoint]

Judgement day will have to wait more. Russian ministry of defense offense says that it was a minor accident with no damage to aircrafts and it is not related to any enemy action.

Here is how cars on a parking lot near the airbase look - https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1557248601591521280  I am sure that all of the aircrafts there are in a perfect flying condition

[Il Palazzo]

Moskva was also a minor accident with no casualties.

[Loud Whispers]

A senior Pentagon official estimated on Monday, August 8 that as many as 80,000 Russians have been killed or wounded in Ukraine since the war began in late February.

"The Russians have probably taken 70 or 80,000 casualties in less than six months

On one hand, it sounds like a lot... But the sad reality that it is a drop in a bucket of in Russian manpower. Like 0.2% of their adult male population. This war will not end any time soon.

It is however, 10% of active personnel

[MaxTheFox]

A senior Pentagon official estimated on Monday, August 8 that as many as 80,000 Russians have been killed or wounded in Ukraine since the war began in late February.

"The Russians have probably taken 70 or 80,000 casualties in less than six months

On one hand, it sounds like a lot... But the sad reality that it is a drop in a bucket of in Russian manpower. Like 0.2% of their adult male population. This war will not end any time soon.

It is however, 10% of active personnel

Yeah. Once active personnel runs dry, they will have to mobilize. Which will ignite unrest, on a much larger scale than the war did.

[Strongpoint]

https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1557397898173812737

Brave Russian tourists don't seem to believe in the Russian military might that will protect them against Ukrainian strikes. Russians pretend to believe propaganda... until their own lives are threatened. Enjoy your summer vacation, guys!

BTW, it is what Russians expected to see on all Ukrainian roads after their initial strike. Never happened.

[MCreeper]

Nah, it did. Main westward road from Kyiv was filled to the brim for few days straight. How do you think all those refugee hordes left the country?