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[brewer bob]

From what I gathered Putin thinks that anyone that even sets foot in the Ukraine even for a second suddenly becomes a Nazi.

I wonder does Putin really think that anyone believes his denazification statements? Dude's had no problems in the 2000's mobilizing and using Russian neo-nazis against his opponents and leftist radicals.

[MaxTheFox]

If it were up to me, I'd just stright up outlaw the far-right. Russia is the country that needs denazification, not Ukraine.

[Cathar]

I believe I found Putin's guidebook to propaganda.



I admit that the "jews are secret nazis" made me laugh more than it should have.
As comical as it is though, russian population seems mostly supportive of Putin from what I hear from my contacts. I don't understand.

[MaxTheFox]

What 20 years of propaganda and no functioning democratic government ever does to a country. If there is ever a democratic government, undoing the shit he was Putin into the people's heads for so long will be hard.

I'd say it's around 30% to 50% support for Putin at this point.

[Strongpoint]

I admit that the "jews are secret nazis" made me laugh more than it should have.

It is an uncommon (but not very rare) conspiracy theory in the Russian-speaking segment of the internet

Idea is - WW2 and the holocaust were organized by Jews with several goals - 1)Destroy the Christian World\White Race in the war. 2)Cleanse the Jewish nation from its weak\unloyal part 3) Make all world feel guilty and get money and political support for the creation of Israel.

And yep, this conspiracy theory claims that both Hitler and SS leadership were Jews.

[Starver]

...so, both Totenkopf and Mazel Tov!

(Yeah. Right(!)...)

[brewer bob]

...so, both Totenkopf and Mazel Tov!

Sort of reminded me of the National Bolshevik Party and their symbol, which is basically a Nazi flag with the swastika replaced with a hammer and sickle.

[Quarque]

What baffles me most about this nazi thing is how vaguely the accusation is formulated. How exactly is Ukraine supposedly "nazi"? In the sense of a nationalistic / socialistic political party? In the sense of antisemitism? In the sense of expansionism? Dictatorship? Of course none of these particular aspects apply.. but I love how the Kremlin doesn't even bother to be specific with such a grave accusation.

[EuchreJack]

What 20 years of propaganda and no functioning democratic government ever does to a country. If there is ever a democratic government, undoing the shit he was Putin into the people's heads for so long will be hard.

I'd say it's around 30% to 50% support for Putin at this point.

But hey, those fuel dump and ammo dump explosions!
While I still think their commanders are just hiding the stuff they stole by blowing up the storage facilities, maybe 2% of Russia is violently fed up with Putin.

[Strongpoint]

So currently, we see a stalemate on the Southern front, a slow Russian advance on the Donbas front, and a slow Ukrainian advance in the Kharkiv area.

But Ukraine is forming and training new units, Russia doesn't. Putin still didn't start a proper mobilization.

But hey, those fuel dump and ammo dump explosions!
While I still think their commanders are just hiding the stuff they stole by blowing up the storage facilities, maybe 2% of Russia is violently fed up with Putin.

According to the official Russian census, there are 2M ethnic Ukrainians (lol, yeah, sure). Even if huge a majority of them are assimilated into loyalty, we are still looking at thousands of potential saboteurs. And it is damn hard to fight saboteurs that look like you, talk like you, act like you.

[hector13]

What baffles me most about this nazi thing is how vaguely the accusation is formulated. How exactly is Ukraine supposedly "nazi"? In the sense of a nationalistic / socialistic political party? In the sense of antisemitism? In the sense of expansionism? Dictatorship? Of course none of these particular aspects apply.. but I love how the Kremlin doesn't even bother to be specific with such a grave accusation.

In the sense that 80 years ago Russia lost millions of people to them and a resurgence of such is something to fight valiantly against.

It doesn’t matter that absolutely nothing of the current Ukrainian says isn’t Nazi, it matters that it’s an easier pill to swallow than “yeah we just want Crimea and easier access to it” or “the bread basket of the world should work for Russia!” or anything like that.

It is irony of the highest order that another justification for it is that Ukrainian culture and people don’t exist, they’re really Russian and Putin’s just bringing them back under the Russian wing, a la Nazi conquests of the ‘30s.

[Cathar]

What baffles me most about this nazi thing is how vaguely the accusation is formulated. How exactly is Ukraine supposedly "nazi"?

I think it is a rhetoric formula used by Russian propaganda. When the actual nazi invaded russia, they were reffered as french, because france under napoleon was a great empire that picked a fight with russia and was defeated earlier in their history.

Ukraine (and NATO by extention) are nazis in the russian imaginary to insure continuity in their mythos. They fill essencially the same role, the role of a big empire russia needs to fight off.

My humble guess.

[Lord Shonus]

So currently, we see a stalemate on the Southern front, a slow Russian advance on the Donbas front, and a slow Ukrainian advance in the Kharkiv area.

The Russian advance in the Donbas is almost certainly the exact same thing it was when they were advancing in the south - Ukranian forces using the open country to maneuver and inflict ruinous losses instead of getting smashed trying to defend a static line. Classic Soviet defensive tactics, which are classic because they work.

[Strongpoint]

https://youtu.be/q5PiEjd3R6U

I must share this masterpiece of Ukrainian war propaganda. Note that like in many areas, Ukrainian propaganda is mostly a decentralized effort. Our show business just went into the war mode.

Also, this comment section under this video is rather hilarious (sadly, many comments are deleted fast). You see, the artist in question always worked for the Russian-speaking market, generic pop songs for women and girls. He was far more popular in Russia than in Ukraine. And he has hundreds of thousands subscribers from Russia. And they are not happy .

PS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn0Rh06-bUg - And here is a typical Russian propaganda effort, stolen music and cringe of epic proportions

[Strongpoint]

So, Russian MFA just twitted that the Foreign minister of Israel should study the history of Nazies and the Holocaust and said that Israeli government is on the course of supporting neo-nazies

What can go wrong?