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[King Zultan]

Seems like no matter where in the world they Catholics doing shitty things would make the Pope cry.

[Strongpoint]

I am Orthodox and I am ashamed.

Chances are that you aren't really an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

Chances are that you believe in the creator, immortal soul, hell and heaven, and a few other things. You identify as an orthodox Christian, because it is a "proper" self-identification for a non-atheist vaguely religious

No, sure, it may be that you do regularly read the Bible (preferable the canon one in Old Slavonic), read various works of saints, visit your local church at least once per few weeks, know, understand and believe dogmas of Orthodox Christianity, etc. But then 1) you are in a rather small minority. 2) It is strange that you aren't pro-war because the Russian Orthodox Church is.

[KittyTac]

I'm quite secular and I rarely go to church, and I have only read the Bible itself + some saints' works. But even though I disagree with Kirill's stance on the war, I believe Orthodoxy is the branch of Christianity that is the most correct. That's why I call myself Orthodox. Honestly I don't give a shit what he thinks of the war, besides disappointment.

Just because I am part of the church doesn't mean I'm going to sheep its policy. Kinda annoying how you just say I'm not even Christian for it. It is what I identify most closely with.

[MaxTheFox]

Do I smell a religious shitfight coming in. That's a first for this thread, surprisingly.

[Strongpoint]

Do I smell a religious shitfight coming in. That's a first for this thread, surprisingly.

You can't imagine how tempted I am...  Kittycat's message is so full of stuff to comment on from an anti-theist's point of view. But this is a wrong thread for this.

[KittyTac]

Yeah whatever man, let me believe what I want, I'm not preaching to you. Not interested in theological debates.

[bloop_bleep]

Orthodoxy is a denomination with a large portion of Eastern Europe as adherents. It is not limited to the Moscow patriarchate...

As a denomination I probably like Orthodoxy the most as well. It seems the most morally rational.

[Strongpoint]

There are some quite reliable rumors that the Russian front in the Kherson isn't in the best shape after a major breakthrough of Ukrainian forces.

With weather forecasts for the coming weeks being unusually warm and dry October (which is great for an offensive), Russian mobilized soldiers may arrive way too late to stabilize the situation. 

[Great Order]

Anyone know if the reservists are at the fronts yet? That can't help. People tend to be a bit more panicky when surrounded by panicky people, and dumping a load of low morale, low training personnel won't help with that.

[Strongpoint]

The Russian army is in chaos right now, chaos similar to what we had in 2014, and, to a lesser extent, in February of 2022.

It is no good when your front consists of something like - 1 unit of special forces, 1 unit of regular infantry, 1 unit of marines, 1 unit of mobilized police, 1 unit of the national guard, 1 unit of volunteers of type A, 1 unit of volunteers type B, 1 unit of... Coordination suffers from stuff like this. And, unlike us, Russians are bad at self-organizing, they are used to centralized structures with one commander and hate initiative

[MorleyDev]

From what a former (British) military friend of mine was explaining, Russian military structure basically prohibits any initiative on the part of the soldiers in terms of securing objectives (this was over a couple of pints so I may have misunderstood something xD).

As they explained it, in a Western military units request supplies like ammunition and they are then 'pulled' down the chain to the toops. But in the Russian military, they have a lot less support troops compared to the 10:1 ratio the West likes. So supplies are 'pushed' down the chain from the top instead. Which means the troops are eternally juggling and balancing whatever limited supplies they were assigned to accomplish an objective, and so when in a situation where one side has a good pull supply lines setup whilst they are relying on push-based supply lines from what the people at the top think they'll need, they are screwed by a combination of superior logistics and poor intel processing at the top.

[Lord Shonus]

That doesn't sound right. Both Ukraine and Russia are still on basically Soviet doctrine, which had nothing of the sort. Soviet doctrine emphasized "make use of the supplies you have and be prepared to make do", but that was under the assumption that they would be cut off by tactical nuclear strikes or would advance so aggressively (Soviet doctrine for a war with the West was to spend any cost to move as fast as possible before America managed to show up) that they outrun their supply chains.

[Great Order]

Pretty sure that Ukraine's moved towards Western doctrines since Crimea. The West started training the Ukrainian military.

[Loud Whispers]

Pretty sure that Ukraine's moved towards Western doctrines since Crimea. The West started training the Ukrainian military.

The UK trained 18,000 since 2015 though the operation to train Ukrainians officially started in 2012, and USA military trainers had an active role in helping the Ukrainian army massively expand into a NATO interoparable fighting force around the same time

[Loud Whispers]

Lyman recaptured after Russian BTGs encircled again

Now if the Russians lose donetsk then the entirety of their southern front will only able to be resupplied by sea and truck

Honestly Putin needs to be careful. At this point it is by choice that the Ukrainians don't walk over the border and start occupying Russian territory; already there has been shelling and air strikes on Belgorod, Putin should not be so arrogant as to assume war is something he inflicts on others, and not a fire that consumes everyone that partakes