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[King Zultan]

I doubt Russia is gonna be nuking anything until they get closer to losing what little ground they've taken.

[Lord Shonus]

They're already losing what they've taken.

[King Zultan]

I meant getting closet to losing all of it.

[Lidku]

Izyum just got encircled by Ukrainian forces?

[Lord Shonus]

No, Izyum was liberated nearly a month ago (and investigators are finding the evidence we all knew they would find). The current encirclements are much further to the east.

[Lidku]

Whoops! I think I meant to say Lyman?

[Strongpoint]

Common, Putin... I expected nuclear threats, Hitler-like monologues or something but (after throwing low-level propaganda away) his speech can be summarized into

1) Those lands are now part of the Great Mighty Russia and nothing can change that

and

2) Please, in the name of peace, please, please, please, Ukraine lets declare a ceasefire and start negotiating (but we keep annexed territories)

3) Russian history is great and glorious

4) West is evil

It is beyond pathetic
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BTW, dear Bay12-ers from Germany and Japan. Did you know that you are still occupied by the USA (since 1945). Putin said that you are and he wouldn't lie.

[Great Order]

I mean, Putin's occupied by a Ukraine-shaped dildo up his arse so I suppose fair's fair, give and take.

[Strongpoint]

It is surreal... They are having a celebratory concert in Moscow right now... right when a chunk of the Russian army is being annihilated in Lyman. This is what makes Russia of 202x much worse than Germany 194x in my eyes. This new modernized version of fascism doesn't even care... doesn't even care to pretend that they care about their OWN people.

[MorleyDev]

Ahead of the event, there had been reports of people being paid to attend or being bussed in. Undoubtedly there were some in attendance who had gone voluntarily to "celebrate" the annexation.

But we spoke to many people who confirmed that they had been brought on buses as organised groups from towns outside of Moscow. Most were public sector workers. A lot of people we tried to speak to didn’t want to chat. They refused to say why they were there. One woman didn't know what the event was about.

Sounds like Putin forgot the part where you pay the people at the public event to cheer and to 'take note' those who aren't cheering...

[ChairmanPoo]

It is surreal... They are having a celebratory concert in Moscow right now... right when a chunk of the Russian army is being annihilated in Lyman. This is what makes Russia of 202x much worse than Germany 194x in my eyes. This new modernized version of fascism doesn't even care... doesn't even care to pretend that they care about their OWN people.

Well OG nazis did plenty of that shit too so not really that different in that regard. Lamer exaggerated parody version, maybe, as historical repetitions tend to be.

I don't think they are really nazis, though.  I think the whole Z thing was just a nation-level nazi cosplay, just like they did communist cosplaying without being anything even vaguely close to communists, or just like they are cosplaying being  crusaders too (with Putin's insane pet patriarch calling for holy war against a country which by and large has exactly the same religion as he does, no less). The regime doesn't have much of a real ideology IMO and it is trying all this shit because they know that they have been cultivating apathy from the Russian populace for decades, and now they need desperatedly to find some way to motivate people into supporting their fuckup.

 Putin himself is clearly a far right wing ultranationalist whackjob,  but he doesnt have anywhere the same ideological/social encroachment, methinks. He's more like a Slobodan Milosevic with a bigger (but apparently not much better) army.

[Great Order]

Was gonna say, the Nazis were very much pro-war. It was a glorious event to be celebrated, not something terrible to be shirked away from!

Of course, reality being what it is, I suspect a lot of German soldiers didn't find watching their friends and family die while getting PTSD particularly glorious. Funny how reality can butt up against ideology like that.

[EuchreJack]

Was gonna say, the Nazis were very much pro-war. It was a glorious event to be celebrated, not something terrible to be shirked away from!

Of course, reality being what it is, I suspect a lot of German soldiers didn't find watching their friends and family die while getting PTSD particularly glorious. Funny how reality can butt up against ideology like that.

Most of the more Glorious events occurred before the War.

There also was a tone shift during the War.

[Strongpoint]

Was gonna say, the Nazis were very much pro-war. It was a glorious event to be celebrated, not something terrible to be shirked away from!

Of course, reality being what it is, I suspect a lot of German soldiers didn't find watching their friends and family die while getting PTSD particularly glorious. Funny how reality can butt up against ideology like that.

Of course, they were pro-war. Of course, they had grandiose celebrations of victories. Of course, they said that dying for great Germany is cool! Of course, they hid bad news from the fronts.

BUT. The military were celebrities in the 3rd Reich. Only top Nazi party members were above them. And Germans obliviously cared about their soldiers. And Nazi leadership did a good job pretending that they care.

[King Zultan]

So what you guys are saying is that Putin is worse than Hitler, because he cares about nothing but whatever stupid ass thing he was trying to prove with this war.