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Author Topic: Emotional Responses to War in Ukraine - Personal Diary & Mutual Support  (Read 135720 times)

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Re: Emotional Responses to War in Ukraine - Personal Diary Edition
« Reply #1186 on: September 11, 2022, 09:04:22 pm »

What I don't understand is where is the Russian airforce. I was very confident that such large-scale offensives are unlikely because the Russian airforce will be deadly against an advancing force
Ukraine's got some pretty solid surface-to-air defences I believe, and Russia's hardly been competent during this. I suspect they're making shitty use of their air superiority.

I heard Germany's Gepards have been helping out a lot on this front, as well as the amazing hack that was developed to allow US anti-radiation HARM missiles to be used by UKR frames.

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"A Ukrainian military intelligence source says that the success of the offensive was contingent on American-supplied harm...missiles...It also relied on surface-to-air systems that threatened Russian aircraft: Ukrainian sources single out Germany’s Gepard"
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« Reply #1187 on: September 12, 2022, 03:43:42 am »

So it's that time again where I ask if any more Russian generals have died?
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« Reply #1188 on: September 12, 2022, 04:15:03 am »

So it's that time again where I ask if any more Russian generals have died?

Well, there are rumors that one was captured ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Sychevoi ) but no official confirmation yet
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« Reply #1189 on: September 12, 2022, 05:15:20 pm »

Now seeing reports that the Ukrainian offensive in Kharkiv has been halted. By the Russian border.
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« Reply #1190 on: September 12, 2022, 05:40:03 pm »

If there was no threat of Russia deciding to blow up the world out of spite, I'd encourage the Ukrainians to keep pushing and seize a sizable chunk of Russia to call their own.
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« Reply #1191 on: September 12, 2022, 05:42:15 pm »

So they didn't counter-invade Russia? I suppose that's probably for the best, putin would probably launch the nukes. But means they're not taking the opportunity to destroy or capture any Russian military infrastructure, except to destroy it by aerial bombardment presumably.
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« Reply #1192 on: September 12, 2022, 05:56:07 pm »

Invading Russia would mean either a colossal drop in Russian perceptions of the war or backfire considerably. It also may not be practical as many Western weapons cannot follow soldiers over the Russian border.
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« Reply #1193 on: September 12, 2022, 07:25:51 pm »

We've already sent jets across the border to bomb munitions depots. The invading Russia line has quite literally been crossed and all the PR ramifications that brings. The only reason why we aren't doing it now I presume is due to western restrictions on the weapons they sent us.

Crimea should still be fair game though.
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« Reply #1194 on: September 12, 2022, 07:40:49 pm »

A ground invasion is very different from simple strikes. It is much harder to take somebody else's land than it is to reclaim your own for a lot of practical reasons. It also has severe risks of Victory Disease, and has extreme political and diplomatic risks. Ukraine doesn't gain much if anything by invading (taking out point targets in response to specific threats isn't in nearly the same class), and stands to potentially lose a lot.
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« Reply #1195 on: September 12, 2022, 08:47:37 pm »

I can only see them invading if Russia refuses peace after being chased out of Ukraine, really. Not to take any land (Aside from reclaiming Crimea which, regardless of personal opinions and legal rights, everyone can agree is de facto part of Russia right now) but to pressure them to sue.

EDIT: And the mysterious deaths of Putin's allies/important acquaintances continues. Now his director of arctic resource investigation.

Is Putin getting paranoid, or are these people actually moving against him and he's playing whack-a-mole?
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« Reply #1196 on: September 12, 2022, 08:57:55 pm »

(Ignore various ninjas. I was spending longer than I meant to editing this around...)

Hypotheticalai Russianovich Newsreaderov: "And the aggressive Ukrainean Nazis have, unprovoked, attacked right up to the original border and... stopped."

...with the added complications of what you do (and do not do) at the point you get to that border, across which are those willing (or under orders) to lob at you anything from stones to RPGs or even more[1], it does at least leave Moscow with far more truth-varnishing to do in order to spin it to their advantage.

That and it keeps the borderline[2] sympathisers in the international community from going sour on their support for the victimised nation, in whatever form that takes.

More trouble than it's worth.

Until it isn't. A really desparate Putin could always try to do something beyond the pale[3], but then the retaliation or trans-national involvement (or both!) that results is going to be far less hands-tied in nature as well.


[1] Which, to be honest, is a problem wherever you decide to stop. One of the problems with the pre-2022 'front line' in the 'disputed' territories.
[2] NPI!
[3] Also NPI, but of course also a very apt phrase...
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« Reply #1197 on: September 12, 2022, 10:17:39 pm »

Common guys, no one is invading a country with nuclear weapons. At most, there will be some cross-border strikes against military and logistics related targets(but currently all of the Western aid comes with a condition of "don't shoot into Russian territory)

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Now let us speak about the consequences of the recent Russian defeat. Azerbaijan is currently pounding military bases in Armenia, a member of the Russian military alliance. According to their treaty, Russia is obligated to help Armenia now. And They already called for Russian help... But I highly doubt that this help will come.
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« Reply #1198 on: September 12, 2022, 10:31:29 pm »

They're using the exact method I do in strategy games.
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« Reply #1199 on: September 13, 2022, 03:57:47 am »

They're using the exact method I do in strategy games.

The "Sneak a piece out of the BYZ while they're busy fighting the Seljuks" method?
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