ApproachWhen scumhunting, I have one major rubric for evaluating players: do they actually want to catch the scum? This can be broken down into various smaller questions like:
- Do they show through their posting an engagement with the game (its state of play and mechanics) that seeks to solve?
- Do they interact with a wide range of players?
- Do they entertain multiple possibilities?
Bad town play can make for false positives, but in general the most engaged players are usually town.
So let's see the players. This is basically D1 only as I ran out of time. D2 readback wil come next when I can.
EuchrejackOut the gates with the early Miller claim. Euchrejack is the only 'miller' who claimed pre-emptively and unprovoked. But he also has the most suspect of miller mechanics, claiming to flip mafia on death but then later rescinds and says he doesn't. Still, for that he's active and has a range of suspects (which is maybe bare minimum for play).
ToonyFirst thing, claims a red inspect on Roden as a joke, which Roden freaks out about. Toony is nice and active and offers suspicions and teams... but doesn't really explain them a lot of the time. Like this is typical fare:
EuchreJack. I feel like it's 4mask and Jack if Jim is town.
Or Vector is one of the mafia and I have no idea who the other is, but not much I can do about that.
He says "I feel like", but anyone can have feelings... I can feel ill disposed to a player because I have indigestion or I hate their posting style. What we want to see are reasons. What I do like is Toony is willing to entertain different suspects, and jumps about a fair bit. That's what we expect to see from someone who's genuinly considering it all.
4maskRedpeeks (fake or not?) Jim. Has poor follow up. He later implies that he has real reasons for suspecting Toony but this is pure vagueness. It could be true: town can hidden info on each other that for mechanical reasons we don't want to share, but the mafia always have such info. So it's a bit of a dubious approach.
He has a very emotive play, honed on his jaunts on other sites I guess, which is hard to parse in the Bay12 context. Stuff like this:
4mask say something only town!4mask would say and I'll vote Tric. I think he's the biggest hit between Jack/Tric/Max if you're town.
Toonyman
:wowee: :wowee: :wowee:
Re: Jim and townreads I’d seen it said so much (including by me) that I was wondering if he was just threadspewed town at that point, only to find out it was only about half the thread.
Jim doesn't understand it, and I don't understand it either. I do like how he comes around to giving actual reason for voting Jack... it's a low bar for voting but not all players reach it.
RodenReally interesting thing. While Jack miller claims without provocation, Roden reluctantly does so after trying to confirm whether of not the (fake)inspect on them was meant seriously:
I got a mafia result on Roden.
Is this a serious claim?
They then go from being cagey about giving info, to spewing it left and right with the miller, auto and commuter claims.
His vote on Vector was just about being "comfortable":
I'm comfortable voting somewhere in 4mask/Knightwing/Vector. I know the latter two typically don't post much but they feel extra lurky.
Vector
What reasoning is this? The vote on Knightwing is more understandable, it's a pressure vote... but then they do nothing with it. It just sits inert while a town player is lynched. Classic scumplay.
JimClaims miller. 4mask had 'redpeeked' him but not in a serious way, he could have ignored it. (Aside: I think he submitted
Film Crit Hulk, before he gave up the all caps routine.) One interesting result of the all caps thing is a lot of players just don't want to interact with Jim. I'll remember this the next time I play scum! Tiruin used to slip through games by having a hard-to-parse style and something similar may be going on here.
Anyway, that's interesting, but I don't think it's an intentional tactic. Jim gives
reads and explains a lot of them cogently enough, so he's not using the style thing to activelurk or similar.
TricOpening angle is about how much someone wants to live... town players often show a willingness for self sacrifice, but wanting to survive is not a purely mafia (or 3rd party) trait. It's NAI and this is a questionable line of enquiry. Still Tric spends most of D1 not actually doing anything. Really wishy-washy stuff.
Max SpinTheir play is really weird. They turn on Vector with basically no reason. Just pure wagonning. Is it because Vector hasn't posted much? If so, why not say? They really don't give much that's good to work with. After my D2 read back, I'm going to drill down on this one.
So in summary, before getting into the nitty-gritty of night action claims and the like, my D1 reads are:
TownJim
Toony
HmmmEuchreJack
4mask
Tric
ScumMax Spin
Roden
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