I was going to sleep until the State of the Union, but the posts I made above gnawed at me and I couldn't. I think that I was far too angry to post well. In addition to the overly foul language I feel that I said divisive and mean things and more importantly brought internal politics into something that is far less partisan than most things and did so at a very bad time to do so. I do feel bad at type yelling at Biden through a computer monitor in a forums I doubt he frequents. I was really considering apologizing to Tucker for posting the wiki to 5th column after I mentioned him yet fuck that it's a bridge too far for me at least today. To be fair to him I only know what he said before the war started, not what he's saying now.
I do think that even if there is no fly zone right away, that the preperation in case it is needed should be made ready (I have no idea how long it takes to have ground crews and maintenence gubbins ready). I also think having an army on the Western border of Ukraine would be useful in backing up Ukraine, but while I understand it's not as easy as I make it sound it probably also takes time to put it together if you feel you need a corridor or something. I apologize for not posting simply that the first time instead of a shrill rant.
I also believe I made some false statements, for example about twenty seconds after I laid down to sleep the Polish representitive to something, the EU I think, was asked about Polish government thoughts on ground troops (maybe no fly zone too can't remember) and said they did not support it today. I think I said in my earlier post that Eastern European Nato allies would prefer readying a counter invasion army which appears to have been quite wrong, and it was wrong of me to say that without checking first.
I've heard some pondering on an off ramp for Putin. At least the very start of that is simple, the fighting needs to stop and that will probably take a withdrawal of Russian forces unless one side capitulates, and it looks to be a long costly and bloody war for both sides if that happens. Until then there is no off ramp, but it's accessible at any time. It's not like it's the end of the world to take such an off ramp, after all, not even a quagmire to be stuck in.
Afterwards, I don't know. I had a crazy idea to suggest a neutral buffer state in between Europe and Russia before the war started, but I never saw an opportunity. I might have floated it upon this internet if Putin had made a deal or even simply stopped pressuring Ukraine with a buildup, but in my opinion I shouldn't have at the time because of it seeming like a Dirty Document style suggestion. If Ukraine survives this war in it's current form without being able to associate or join the EU (or NATO but I think the rules disallow that when in conflict), then maybe? but I also don't have a clue what Ukrainians would think about being such a buffer state if the EU doesn't associate/invite them and their opinion on that is more important than my distant and uninformed guess disguised as an opinion.
Here is the fictional setting where I got this silly idea, a state (created in the fictional example from portions of the two larger powers) between two mutually antagonistic nations, armed and supported by both sides.
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/FRRFinally LW I'm sorry for tripping out about the joke you made, it wasn't even bad and I expressed my opinion very poorly on a subject that would require far more words than the inelegant if not even insulting way I responded to you.
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