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Probably a good idea.

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Not really necessary.

2 (33.3%)

I don't play Berserker so I don't really have an opinion.

3 (50%)

Total Members Voted: 6

[Failbird105]

I've begun to realize a problem with the Rocket Tag problem itself.

The fact that the Rocket Tag aspect is actually kinda canon to Fate and its going to feel really weird if it's removed completely.

So I'm going to propose thusly: give NPs upsides and downsides depending on their Classification.
For example, Anti-Unit? Well it feels really really weird for, as an example, canonical nigh-instant death moves like Gae Bolg to do not even 50% of a Servants health in damage. Adding an extra 50-75% to their damage should make them feel dramatically better without making them "I win" buttons.
And Anti-Fortress? Same damage boost, but also an equivalent cost boost too. Makes being able to do massive damage on a widespread scale more fair.
Anti-Army is fine though

[Smoke Mirrors]

I suppose I can write up a thing of different NP types and how they effect it mechanically and then we can test those and see if they should be implemented.

Of course, I’ll be making a list of which ones are approved or not as there are something like 70 NP types and a good portion of those show up once and never again, like anti-wave.

[BlackPaladin99]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Origin (Player): Irish mythology (BlackPaladin99)
Name: Nuada of the Silver Hand
Class:  Saber
Alignment: Lawful neutral
Mana: 200
Traits: Male, Tuatha de Danann, nonhuman

Appearance: A handsome young man with pale skin, intense dark eyes that seemed to be a hybrid between blue and green.  He has a slim, wiry build and is relatively short.  His most notable features are his small horns and pointed, dagger like ears.

Parameters:
Strength: B
Endurance: C
Agility: B
Mana: A
Luck: C

Class Skills:
Magic resist (B)
Effect: +4 to your roll under number for Mana when rolling to resist Debuffs or Spells.

Independent action (D)
Effect:+2 to your roll under number for Endurance when rolling to resist damage.

Battle continuation (D)
Effect: The first time in each combat your mana reaches 0, gain 10 mana.

Divinity (B)

Personal Skills:

Immortal combat style: (A)
Description: the weight of Nuada’s silver hand empowers his blows.
Effect: +10 damage

Tuathan Vitality (A)
Description: the immortal vitality of Nuada’s race allows him the boon of being able to endure more.
Effect: +10 mana every action and you gain 10 mana the first time you drop to 0 mana each combat

War-King (B)
Description: Nuada’s Warrior nature boosts his prowess In combat.
Effect:  +4 to your roll under number Agility when rolling for evasion or accuracy in melee combat.

Active Skills:
Focused blade (C)
Cooldown: 6 turns
Description: Nuada empowers his blade, strengthening his next attack. 
Effects: +to strength until he lands an attack, and +10 damage until he lands an attack.

Noble Phantasms:
Blade of Kings (A) Sword
Cost: 50
Description: the noble sword of the king of the Tuatha De Danann, this blade cuts through flesh and steel like butter.
Effects: + to Strength and Agility until the end of combat. When you attack a unit, -3 to their roll under number for Endurance for Damage Resistance. +20 to damage until the end of combat.

[Smoke Mirrors]

I’m going to have to veto that active skill, as it has 5 effects, + to strength, + to agility, and 3 +10 to damage, and the max for active skills is 3, and their cool down is 2 turns per effect. You could do + to strength and agility and +10 to damage, but that would have a 6 turn cooldown.

[BlackPaladin99]

edited

[Lenglon]

quick note: I've been thinking of how the change to increase overall durability is going to affect Irine's kit, and frankly since her whole thing is the longer a fight goes, the better she does, and this is making fights longer across the board, she might need to be nerfed to adjust. Figured I'd get out in front and flag this as a potential problem on the front end, and let you know that if it's needed, it's needed, and I'll try to work with you on how to make it happen. Doesn't necessarily mean the system as a whole needs changing, just that her archetype got buffed by the system change, and so she personally might need a nerf. If I were assigning the nerf myself, I'd be reducing the damage of Flame Orb. just reducing it by 3 damage would actually make a huge difference in how fast Irine's per-turn damage grows, making the growth curve of her attacks less steep and better in line with the now slower-paced combat.

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20 (20) -> 40 (60) -> 60 (120) -> 80 (200) -> 100 (300)
to
17 (17) -> 34 (51) -> 51 (102)  -> 68 (170) -> 85 (255)
parens is total damage up to that point assuming every attack hit for full damage. as you can see, if you simply cut flame orb's damage by 3, it results in roughly an extra turn before reaching every single significant health breakpoint, with a massive 45 damage difference after a 5 round combat.

I don't know for sure if this is necessary, but I thought I'd throw it out here now while I was thinking on it.

[Smoke Mirrors]

edited

Ok, I’ll just note that the active skill’s rank would be C, given that’s the highest they go, and the cooldown will be 6 given it’s rank C.

~Snip~

Ok, I’ll keep this in mind, but I’m not planning to implement it for now given you’ll soon be going against enemies with higher mana stats and greater chances to resist or even negate your spells, so I’ll want to see how Irine goes against those before I implement nerfing.

I’ll also note that we won’t get a turn today as my flight home was rather a disaster, being delayed and finally being canceled as they were getting people on the plane, leading to a need to schedule a new flight, so I haven’t slept very much, and I’m not even home yet so… yeah, I’ll be starting 1.3 tomorrow or this weekend.

[Lenglon]

-fixed a math fail-

[Smoke Mirrors]

Test 1.3
You find yourself in the middle of the woods. It’s dark, the canopy of leaves blocking out much of the little light that comes from the crescent moon and stars. There’s almost a suspicious lack of dead leaves and branches on the ground, as if the floor had been recently cleared of material. The wind is still, with little movement among the leaves above you. Looking around you see… nothing out of the ordinary. That is strange.
(Actions)

[Failbird105]

John Henry

John nodded to himself. Yes, he understood what was going on here perfectly.

"Grounds been cleared, lots of good lumber, all set up for laying down some fresh tracks."

... perfectly accurate to how a berserker would, that is.

Smash down a tree, y'know, for lumber.

[Lenglon]

Irine
current form: Hybrid
mana: 200/200
I need a place to fall back to, especially while I'm disoriented like this
I make this area into my territory

Spoiler: Irine (click to show/hide)

Origin (Player): {Created in Roll to Deity} {actively played for five years in Speical People (from start to finish)} (Lenglon)
Name: Irine
Class: Caster
Alignment: LG
Mana: 200/200
Traits: Avatar of a fallen god, limited shapeshifter, multi-species, female, human, multi-tail-fox, flame

Appearance: Adolescent female human/Adolescent female human with 3 fox tails (proportionately adjusted to fit the human body, making them quite large), fox ears (again adjusted), carnivorous teeth/Adolescent Multi-tail fox, currently at 3 tails (approx biological age: 130), has gold/orange hair of a moderate length, gold/orange eyes. largest form in terms of volume is hybrid because of the tails, but if you ignore the tails or if you go by mass instead of volume she's largest as full-human. smallest is full-fox. fur/hair/skin is reactive to light, seeming to slightly glow, as though all light sources are also blacklights, with tiny bright patches scattered all over.

Parameters:
Strength: E
Endurance: C
Agility: C
Mana: A
Luck: C

Class Skills:
Item creation (A)
+5 for your roll under number for Mana when rolling to cast a spell.

Territory creation (A) (special, see personal skills)
When not in combat, you can declare one non hostile area. When in that area, you gain 25 mana every action.

Divinity (C) (fallen deity)
Luck +3

Personal Skills:

Resilient Tails (E)
Description: Irine's tails are noticeably more resilient and protective than the rest of her body, and she can shelter herself behind them against some blows if she is in her full-fox or hybrid forms.
Effect: +2 Endurance against attacks that hit her tails.

Soul of fire (A)
Description:Irine's soul-self envelops a dramatically larger area than her body, and within that area she feels and manipulates all flames as a extention of her own body.
Effect:Within approx 100 yards of Irine's body she is able to feel and manipulate flames without any effort, spell, or mana expenditure, as well as making her immune to most flames herself, is immune to fire terrain effects, and it grants her +6 resistance against special flames like enemy fire-based Noble Phantasms. most importantly, she can maintain fire effects within this range without cost beyond the startup cost to begin them.

Beacon of flame (A)
Description: Irine grows in power the more firey the environment.
Effect: Irine treats any region with active flames as her territory, the quality of the territory depending on how intense the environment's fires are. This does imply she can create a feedback loop from her flame attacks starting fires that make the combat area give back some of the mana she spent mid-combat.

Active Skill:
Pyro-shapeshifter (Utility) (self)
Cooldown: 1 turn.
Description: Irine is able to switch between her forms at will.
Effect: change between forms, no combat effect.

Spells:
Cleanse by fire (C) (utility)
Cost: 30 mana
Effect: Remove all buffs, debuffs, and territory claims from the nearby area and all those within it.
Description: Irine extends herself out beyond her physical body, cleansing the area of outside influences.

Flame orb (D) (Anti-individual)
Cost: 20 mana
Description: Irine generates a simple orb of fire that she freely manipulates as her weapon of choice.
Effect: 20 damage to a single target, can be cast in addition to maintaining and using previous fire effects via Soul of Fire.

Flame Dance (B) (Anti-room)
Cost: 40 mana
Description: Irine generates numerous spheres of flame within an area (roughly the size of a large room like a gym), moving them in complex patterns within the region, making it difficult to move through and burning those that don't dodge well.
Effect: 20 damage to all within the targeted area and obstructs movement, In order to move through, move within, or exit the effected area, units must roll a successful Agility check.

Noble Phantasm:
Firestorm (A) Anti-Region
Cost: 50 mana
Description: When Irine no longer cares about collateral damage and has decided it's time for everything to burn, she cuts loose. She has intimate knowledge of the mechanics of flame and its interactions with the fuel and air around it, and uses this to  induce either a fire whirl or a firestorm. This process takes some time to begin, and requires her full focus to perform, but it continuously grows in power until she stops.
Effects: requires continuous channeling to maintain. grows in rank with every turn it is continuously channeled, begins at E rank, does not fade all at once, instead losing a rank for every turn after the channeling is over. causes (Rank) damage to all non-Irine beings in range each turn and attempts to suck them into the center of the effect at (Rank) strength, disabling them for the turn. Opposed Strength check to resist this effect.

[BlackPaladin99]

nuada

begin building fort

[Smoke Mirrors]

Irine
Irine began to use her mana to transform the area around her into her territory. Smoke started to form as the wet grass and leaves around her started to burn. Scorch marks started to appear on the bark of trees around her, and the temperature of the air began to grow, losing the crispness of night.

As the air heats up, a figure approaches Irine through the forest. As they make it into the light of Irine’s burgeoning fires, she can see the figure is a pretty young girl, in a white dress, with red bangs that hang over her eyes, and, more peculiarly, a golden horn sticking out of her forehead and golden fixtures sticking out of either side of her head, carrying a mace.

She looks at Irine and says “...fire…bad.”
Nuada
Strength Check: 2 (Success), 4 (Crit Success), Remainder 2
?? Agility Check: 3 (Success), 9 (Crit Success) (1.5x), Remainder 10 vs 7 (Success), 9 (No Crit) Remainder 1.
Damage Check: 9 (Failure)

Nuada began to try to build a fort for himself, starting with getting supplies. Given it seemed like the most plentiful resource around, he decided to cut down a tree for some wood. With the use of his sword, he managed to cleanly slice the tree off the stump with little issue, giving him a tree trunk to begin processing.

However, before he can start doing anything to turn the raw lumber into building material, a dagger flies out from the trees around him. While it hits his silver arm with little issue, as he looks around, he’s not able to see who threw it.

John Henry
Strength Check: 3 (Success), 5 (Crit Success) Remainder 4.

Raising his hammer, John took aim at a tree, smashing it off at the base. As parts of the tree exploded into splinters, most of the tree toppled over with a loud crash, leaving a rough looking stump behind and the floor littered with mulch and splinters.

[Lenglon]

Irine
current form: Hybrid
mana: 200/200
I take a couple steps back from the girl, staying out the reach of that mace, but don't initiate hostilities.
"Sorry, I'll make sure it stays under control. Who are you?"
I take active control of the local flames, and lift them up off of the burning materials, so that they aren't actively spreading while we talk, and my visitor will be able to see that they're under control and won't just burn down the area or anything like that.

Spoiler: Irine (click to show/hide)

Origin (Player): {Created in Roll to Deity} {actively played for five years in Speical People (from start to finish)} (Lenglon)
Name: Irine
Class: Caster
Alignment: LG
Mana: 200/200
Traits: Avatar of a fallen god, limited shapeshifter, multi-species, female, human, multi-tail-fox, flame

Appearance: Adolescent female human/Adolescent female human with 3 fox tails (proportionately adjusted to fit the human body, making them quite large), fox ears (again adjusted), carnivorous teeth/Adolescent Multi-tail fox, currently at 3 tails (approx biological age: 130), has gold/orange hair of a moderate length, gold/orange eyes. largest form in terms of volume is hybrid because of the tails, but if you ignore the tails or if you go by mass instead of volume she's largest as full-human. smallest is full-fox. fur/hair/skin is reactive to light, seeming to slightly glow, as though all light sources are also blacklights, with tiny bright patches scattered all over.

Parameters:
Strength: E
Endurance: C
Agility: C
Mana: A
Luck: C

Class Skills:
Item creation (A)
+5 for your roll under number for Mana when rolling to cast a spell.

Territory creation (A) (special, see personal skills)
When not in combat, you can declare one non hostile area. When in that area, you gain 25 mana every action.

Divinity (C) (fallen deity)
Luck +3

Personal Skills:

Resilient Tails (E)
Description: Irine's tails are noticeably more resilient and protective than the rest of her body, and she can shelter herself behind them against some blows if she is in her full-fox or hybrid forms.
Effect: +2 Endurance against attacks that hit her tails.

Soul of fire (A)
Description:Irine's soul-self envelops a dramatically larger area than her body, and within that area she feels and manipulates all flames as a extention of her own body.
Effect:Within approx 100 yards of Irine's body she is able to feel and manipulate flames without any effort, spell, or mana expenditure, as well as making her immune to most flames herself, is immune to fire terrain effects, and it grants her +6 resistance against special flames like enemy fire-based Noble Phantasms. most importantly, she can maintain fire effects within this range without cost beyond the startup cost to begin them.

Beacon of flame (A)
Description: Irine grows in power the more firey the environment.
Effect: Irine treats any region with active flames as her territory, the quality of the territory depending on how intense the environment's fires are. This does imply she can create a feedback loop from her flame attacks starting fires that make the combat area give back some of the mana she spent mid-combat.

Active Skill:
Pyro-shapeshifter (Utility) (self)
Cooldown: 1 turn.
Description: Irine is able to switch between her forms at will.
Effect: change between forms, no combat effect.

Spells:
Cleanse by fire (C) (utility)
Cost: 30 mana
Effect: Remove all buffs, debuffs, and territory claims from the nearby area and all those within it.
Description: Irine extends herself out beyond her physical body, cleansing the area of outside influences.

Flame orb (D) (Anti-individual)
Cost: 20 mana
Description: Irine generates a simple orb of fire that she freely manipulates as her weapon of choice.
Effect: 20 damage to a single target, can be cast in addition to maintaining and using previous fire effects via Soul of Fire.

Flame Dance (B) (Anti-room)
Cost: 40 mana
Description: Irine generates numerous spheres of flame within an area (roughly the size of a large room like a gym), moving them in complex patterns within the region, making it difficult to move through and burning those that don't dodge well.
Effect: 20 damage to all within the targeted area and obstructs movement, In order to move through, move within, or exit the effected area, units must roll a successful Agility check.

Noble Phantasm:
Firestorm (A) Anti-Region
Cost: 50 mana
Description: When Irine no longer cares about collateral damage and has decided it's time for everything to burn, she cuts loose. She has intimate knowledge of the mechanics of flame and its interactions with the fuel and air around it, and uses this to  induce either a fire whirl or a firestorm. This process takes some time to begin, and requires her full focus to perform, but it continuously grows in power until she stops.
Effects: requires continuous channeling to maintain. grows in rank with every turn it is continuously channeled, begins at E rank, does not fade all at once, instead losing a rank for every turn after the channeling is over. causes (Rank) damage to all non-Irine beings in range each turn and attempts to suck them into the center of the effect at (Rank) strength, disabling them for the turn. Opposed Strength check to resist this effect.

[Stirk]

Right this is a thing still.

Its dark. Do you know what you do in the dark? Sleep. The Doc puts his hat over his eyes and sleeps under the comfiest looking tree.