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Probably a good idea.

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Not really necessary.

2 (33.3%)

I don't play Berserker so I don't really have an opinion.

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Total Members Voted: 6

[Lenglon]

Cool, my vote is placed. and since you were curious about them I'll try to dig up Faye and El Cid's character sheets (I was doing this for Faye anyway) and I'll PM them to you so you can see them.

[Smoke Mirrors]

Thank you, all I remember about Faye was she was a little girl with a bunch of identical/semi-identical siblings.

[rustytengo]

well it well know i'm intrested just having trouble thinking of a servant currently leaning towards either Rider Henry Avery or Saber Hervor. also that does seem like a interesting thing for el cid and side note El Cid does appear in Fate/Requiem or rather mentioned and killed off screen which is sad.

[BlackPaladin99]

I am creating a servant sheet.  Two questions: 1) how do we determine the rank of our personal skills?
2) What effects would a rank C Noble Phantasm that summons a sword have, And how long would the sword last?

[Smoke Mirrors]

Rank of personal skills is difficult to figure out, as there are a wide variety of them of differing effect, so my general rule for them is just "be reasonable" and I'll edit them afterwards if I think they need to be edited.

As for the effects, a C rank NP would naturally have 3, if it summons the sword that is 1, so you could have the remaining two, and I would say the sword would likely last until the end of combat. For what the effects are, given that NPs are like personal skills, very varied and odd, I go with the similar "post what you want and I'll let you know if you need to change it" system. That said, if you let me know who you are making a servant of and what sword it is, I can probably give you a better idea of what effects it could expect to have.

I will make sure you know that instead of having it summon a sword, you could have a sword that gains extra effects when you activate your noble phantasm, which would both mean you have the sword normally, though the effects aren't immediately active, and that you don't need to use one of your effects on summoning the sword.

[BlackPaladin99]

How many hit points will a typical enemy have? 

[Smoke Mirrors]

That’s one of the things I will be figuring out in testing, based on how much damage players end up doing per turn. In the mean times, it depends on the enemy. I think the starting test enemies will have 20 mana, but as the tests are starting with PvP, those numbers are liable to change depending on how much damage you guys do.

[BlackPaladin99]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

 Origin (Player): Irish mythology (BlackPaladin99)
Name: Nuada of the Silver Hand
Class:  Saber
Alignment: Lawful neutral
Mana: 100
Traits: Male, Tuatha de Danann, nonhuman

Appearance: A handsome young man with pale skin, intense dark eyes that seemed to be a hybrid between blue and green.  He has a slim, wiry build and is relatively short.  His most notable features are his small horns and pointed, dagger like ears.

Parameters:
Strength: B
Endurance: C
Agility: B
Mana: A
Luck: C

Class Skills:
Magic resist (B)
Effect: +4 to your roll under number for Mana when rolling to resist Debuffs or Spells.

Independent action (D)
Effect:+2 to your roll under number for Endurance when rolling to resist damage.

Battle continuation (D)
Effect: The first time in each combat your mana reaches 0, gain 10 mana.

Divinity (B)
Effect: +20 damage.

Personal Skills:

Silver handed combat: (A)
Description: the weight of Nuada’s silver hand empowers his blows.
Effect: +20 damage

Tuathan Vitality (A)
Description: the immortal vitality of Nuada’s race allows him the boon of being able to endure more.
Effect: +10 mana every action and you gain 10 mana the first time you drop to 0 mana each combat

War-King (B)
Description: Nuada’s Warrior nature boosts his prowess In combat.
Effect:  +4 to your roll under number Agility when rolling for evasion or accuracy in melee combat.

Noble Phantasms:
Blade of Kings (A) Sword
Cost: 50
Description: the noble sword of the king of the Tuatha De Danann, this blade cuts through flesh and steel like butter.
Effects: + to Strength and Agility until the end of combat. When you attack a unit, -3 to their roll under number for Endurance for Damage Resistance. +40 to damage until the end of combat.

This good?  I decided to go with your suggestion about already having a sword and the phantasm making it deal extra damage, but IDK If i did it right.

[Smoke Mirrors]

Largely good, though in need of some slight edits.

War-king's effect should be written as "+5 to your roll under number Agility when rolling for evasion or accuracy in melee combat." and given it's B rank, probably +4 instead of +5.

For Blade of Kings, the effect would be more akin to the NP William Tell has, rather than doing 100 damage a hit, you can pay 50 mana to automatically deal 100 damage to one or more enemies. For instance, Tell's is "60 damage to one enemy." at the cost of 30 mana. Also a more minor thing, Fate NP types are generally written as "Anti-X" where X is something like Army, Unit, Fortress, to describe how big the effect is, or, in more specific ones, Anti-Demon, Male, or Mountain.

Yours would probably be
Noble Phantasms:
Blade of Kings (A) Anti-Unit
Cost: 50
Description: the noble sword of the king of the Tuatha De Danann, this blade cuts through flesh and steel like butter.
Effects: 100 damage to one enemy.

[Stirk]

That’s one of the things I will be figuring out in testing, based on how much damage players end up doing per turn. In the mean times, it depends on the enemy. I think the starting test enemies will have 20 mana, but as the tests are starting with PvP, those numbers are liable to change depending on how much damage you guys do.

I can do some quick maths to tell you the chance of what damage with what rolls if you want.

Right now everything looks super rocket tagy since 100 damage to one enemy is enough to wipe out a maxed-mana servant minus whatever Endurance is.

[Smoke Mirrors]

I can do some quick maths to tell you the chance of what damage with what rolls if you want.

Right now everything looks super rocket tagy since 100 damage to one enemy is enough to wipe out a maxed-mana servant minus whatever Endurance is.

That is a concern of mine. I wanted to give players the option to go all in on damage and create effects like Clarent and Excalibur, and to make doing so with something, and while the system isn’t made with PVP primarily in mind, I want it to be able to be used for such. While logically, taking something like Excalibur, which is what one if the A rank pure damage NPs is supposed to be like, to the face wound kill most servant, and while most major enemies in my game will have ways to avoid being one shot by it, it’s a bit difficult in PVP to avoid that. Fortunately, that’s what testing is for.

Current damage plan for main attacks is that a normal attack does damage depending on your strength parameter if you get a success, which is doubled for a critical success. If your opponent rolls a success for endurance, it’s halved, and a critical success means it’s quartered. Before damage calculations, you roll agility for accuracy vs agility for evasion, and if you evade, then no damage.
A: 50
B: 40
C: 30
D: 20
E: 10

I am currently also working out if I should use modified rules for things such as firearms, and if so, what those modified rules should be.

[Stirk]

I can do some quick maths to tell you the chance of what damage with what rolls if you want.

Right now everything looks super rocket tagy since 100 damage to one enemy is enough to wipe out a maxed-mana servant minus whatever Endurance is.

That is a concern of mine. I wanted to give players the option to go all in on damage and create effects like Clarent and Excalibur, and to make doing so with something, and while the system isn’t made with PVP primarily in mind, I want it to be able to be used for such. While logically, taking something like Excalibur, which is what one if the A rank pure damage NPs is supposed to be like, to the face wound kill most servant, and while most major enemies in my game will have ways to avoid being one shot by it, it’s a bit difficult in PVP to avoid that. Fortunately, that’s what testing is for.

Current damage plan for main attacks is that a normal attack does damage depending on your strength parameter if you get a success, which is doubled for a critical success. If your opponent rolls a success for endurance, it’s halved, and a critical success means it’s quartered. Before damage calculations, you roll agility for accuracy vs agility for evasion, and if you evade, then no damage.
A: 50
B: 40
C: 30
D: 20
E: 10

I am currently also working out if I should use modified rules for things such as firearms, and if so, what those modified rules should be.

Alright! Lets look at the dice then!

Your damage per turn will depend heavily on your opponent with that setup.  If I am understanding correctly you want to roll under the second number in the chart with a D20? So B would be 8?

So if I understand it right, it is Agility VS Agility (Contested) then a strength test (failure means no damage) then an endurance test?

If a contested rolls has zero successes on both sides does the "lower number" rule still apply?

[Smoke Mirrors]

It’s D10 rather than D20, so an A rank has a 9/10 chance to get one success, B has 7/10, etc. Also, the crit system where, for instance, if you’re at A rank and you roll a 2, you can roll again and if it’s less than an 8 it’s a crit. Yes, agility vs enemy agility, contested, then you do a strength check, then your opponent does an endurance check. If both fail to achieve any successes, I think count it as a failure for the person who initiated the action.

[Lenglon]

I still would prefer to play a Master, (specifically Faye), however since I always take a while to do character creation (and you seem to need a few more test dummies) I figured I'd go ahead and build my backup choice of character for if you decide to stick to your no-masters gameplan.

Spoiler: my backup choice V1 (click to show/hide)

Origin (Player): {Created in Roll to Deity} {actively played for five years in Speical People (from start to finish)} (Lenglon)
Name: Irine
Class: Caster
Alignment: LG
Mana: 100
Traits: Avatar of a fallen god, limited shapeshifter, multi-species, female, human, multi-tail-fox, flame

Appearance: Adolescent female human/Adolescent female human with 3 fox tails (proportionately adjusted to fit the human body, making them quite large), fox ears (again adjusted), carnivorous teeth/Adolescent Multi-tail fox, currently at 3 tails (approx biological age: 130), has gold/orange hair of a moderate length, gold/orange eyes. largest form in terms of volume is hybrid because of the tails, but if you ignore the tails or if you go by mass instead of volume she's largest as full-human. smallest is full-fox. fur/hair/skin is reactive to light, seeming to slightly glow, as though all light sources are also blacklights, with tiny bright patches scattered all over.

(2 points remain unassigned, player thinks the personal skills, especially Soul of Fire, should absorb the points)

Parameters:
Strength: E (1)
Endurance: C (3)
Agility: C (3)
Mana: A (5)
Luck: C (3)

Class Skills:
Item creation (A) (2)
+5 for your roll under number for Mana when rolling to cast a spell.

Territory creation (A) (3) (special, see personal skills)
When not in combat, you can declare one non hostile area. When in that area, you gain 25 mana every action.

Divinity (C) (fallen deity)
+15 Damage

Personal Skills:

Resilient Tails (E)
Description: Irine's tails are noticeably more resilient and protective than the rest of her body, and she can shelter herself behind them against some blows if she is in her full-fox or hybrid forms.
Effect: +2 Endurance against attacks that hit her tails.

Soul of fire (A)
Description:Irine's soul-self envelops a dramatically larger area than her body, and within that area she feels and manipulates all flames as a extention of her own body.
Effect:Within approx 100 yards of Irine's body she is able to feel and manipulate all flames without any effort, spell, or mana expenditure, as well as making her immune to flames herself. most importantly, she can maintain fire effects within this range without cost beyond the startup cost to begin them.

Beacon of flame (A)
Description: Irine grows in power the more firey the environment.
Effect: Irine treats any region with active flames as her territory, the quality of the territory depending on how intense the environment's fires are. This does imply she can create a feedback loop from her flame attacks starting fires that make the combat area give back some of the mana she spent mid-combat.

Spells:
Pyro-shapeshifter (E) (Utility) (self)
Cost: 10 mana
Description: Irine is able to switch between her forms at will. if she is going to a smaller form the lost volume is transformed into fire that she can manipulate, if she is going to a larger form then she requires enough flame to absorb to make up the difference in volume.
Effect: change between forms, no combat effect.

Flame orb (D)
Cost: 20 mana
Description: Irine generates a simple orb of fire that she freely manipulates as her weapon of choice.
Effect: 20 damage to a single target, can be cast multiple times.

Flame Dance (B)
Cost: 40 mana
Description: Irine generates numerous spheres of flame within an area, moving them in complex patterns within the region, making it difficult to move through and burning those that don't dodge well.
Effect: 20 damage to all within the targeted area and attempts to prevent them from moving within, through, or exiting, the targeted area.

Noble Phantasm:
Firestorm (A) Anti-Region
Cost: 50 mana
Description: When Irine no longer cares about collateral damage and has decided it's time for everything to burn, she cuts loose. She has intimate knowledge of the mechanics of flame and its interactions with the fuel and air around it, and uses this to  induce either a fire whirl or a firestorm. This process takes some time to begin, and requires her full focus to perform, but it continuously grows in power until she stops.
Effects: requires continuous channeling to maintain. grows in rank with every turn it is continuously channeled, begins at E rank, does not fade all at once, instead losing a rank for every turn after the channeling is over. causes (Rank) damage to all non-Irine beings in range each turn and attempts to suck them into the center of the effect at (Rank) strength, disabling them for the turn.

Edited version below:

Spoiler: my backup choice V2 (click to show/hide)

Origin (Player): {Created in Roll to Deity} {actively played for five years in Speical People (from start to finish)} (Lenglon)
Name: Irine
Class: Caster
Alignment: LG
Mana: 100
Traits: Avatar of a fallen god, limited shapeshifter, multi-species, female, human, multi-tail-fox, flame

Appearance: Adolescent female human/Adolescent female human with 3 fox tails (proportionately adjusted to fit the human body, making them quite large), fox ears (again adjusted), carnivorous teeth/Adolescent Multi-tail fox, currently at 3 tails (approx biological age: 130), has gold/orange hair of a moderate length, gold/orange eyes. largest form in terms of volume is hybrid because of the tails, but if you ignore the tails or if you go by mass instead of volume she's largest as full-human. smallest is full-fox. fur/hair/skin is reactive to light, seeming to slightly glow, as though all light sources are also blacklights, with tiny bright patches scattered all over.

Parameters:
Strength: E
Endurance: C
Agility: C
Mana: A
Luck: C

Class Skills:
Item creation (A)
+5 for your roll under number for Mana when rolling to cast a spell.

Territory creation (A) (special, see personal skills)
When not in combat, you can declare one non hostile area. When in that area, you gain 25 mana every action.

Divinity (C) (fallen deity)
+15 Damage

Personal Skills:

Resilient Tails (E)
Description: Irine's tails are noticeably more resilient and protective than the rest of her body, and she can shelter herself behind them against some blows if she is in her full-fox or hybrid forms.
Effect: +2 Endurance against attacks that hit her tails.

Soul of fire (A)
Description:Irine's soul-self envelops a dramatically larger area than her body, and within that area she feels and manipulates all flames as a extention of her own body.
Effect:Within approx 100 yards of Irine's body she is able to feel and manipulate flames without any effort, spell, or mana expenditure, as well as making her immune to most flames herself, is immune to fire terrain effects, and it grants her +6 resistance against special flames like enemy fire-based Noble Phantasms. most importantly, she can maintain fire effects within this range without cost beyond the startup cost to begin them.

Beacon of flame (A)
Description: Irine grows in power the more firey the environment.
Effect: Irine treats any region with active flames as her territory, the quality of the territory depending on how intense the environment's fires are. This does imply she can create a feedback loop from her flame attacks starting fires that make the combat area give back some of the mana she spent mid-combat.

Spells:
Pyro-shapeshifter (E) (Utility) (self)
Cost: 10 mana
Description: Irine is able to switch between her forms at will.
Effect: change between forms, no combat effect.

Flame orb (D)
Cost: 20 mana
Description: Irine generates a simple orb of fire that she freely manipulates as her weapon of choice.
Effect: 20 damage to a single target, can be cast in addition to maintaining and using previous fire effects via Soul of Fire.

Flame Dance (B)
Cost: 40 mana
Description: Irine generates numerous spheres of flame within an area (roughly the size of a large room like a gym), moving them in complex patterns within the region, making it difficult to move through and burning those that don't dodge well.
Effect: 20 damage to all within the targeted area and obstructs movement, In order to move through, move within, or exit the effected area, units must roll a successful Agility check.

Noble Phantasm:
Firestorm (A) Anti-Region
Cost: 50 mana
Description: When Irine no longer cares about collateral damage and has decided it's time for everything to burn, she cuts loose. She has intimate knowledge of the mechanics of flame and its interactions with the fuel and air around it, and uses this to  induce either a fire whirl or a firestorm. This process takes some time to begin, and requires her full focus to perform, but it continuously grows in power until she stops.
Effects: requires continuous channeling to maintain. grows in rank with every turn it is continuously channeled, begins at E rank, does not fade all at once, instead losing a rank for every turn after the channeling is over. causes (Rank) damage to all non-Irine beings in range each turn and attempts to suck them into the center of the effect at (Rank) strength, disabling them for the turn. Opposed Strength check to resist this effect.

[Smoke Mirrors]

Right, looking at your sheet there are several things that need editing or further defining, to the point I'm worried that if you do them, the character may no longer be the character you intended to play. In part, this is due to the feeling the character may have been designed for a game with more concrete mechanics than what I am currently working with. Nonetheless, I will go through what changes I think need to be made and you can decide that for yourself.

Most obvious is something I realized I never explicitly stated, so it's kind of my fault, but I'm trying to go with only servants who would likely show up in a proper Fate work, so generally characters from other games or created by the player are not allowed. I think you could solve this by editing your sheet to play as a version of some fox spirit/diety, such as Inari, Fate's Amaterasu, etc. or a fire deity, such as Hestia, Fornax, Bridget, Hephaestus, etc.

Not sure what to do with having the skills absorb the points, do you mean that as in having stronger skills in return for fewer points in the point buy?

Parameters and Class skills look good, but I'm wondering how the fire skill ​and territory interact. Is it that where fire is, it is counted as your territory, with it scaling with the amount, such as a small fire making the location act as E rank territory letting you regenerate 5 mana each turn, and a bonfire acting as A rank territory and letting you regenerate 25 mana each turn, or is it that when in your territory, more fire adds more to your regen per turn?

Resilient Tails seems good.

Further on Soul of Fire, while I can see letting you manipulate fires you start and mundane fires, such as campfires and forest fires, I think it may be a bit too powerful if I allow you to control, for instance, an enemy noble phantasm that is made of fire, or a dragon breath attack. I am willing to accept you having immunity to all ordinary fire and resistance to special flames.

Once more, kind of confused as to how Beacon of Flames works.

Shapeshift: Slightly worried about keeping track of the volume of each shape change.

Flame Orb: Do you mean multiple times per turn?

Flame Dance: My concern is that area can be used as a broadly defined term here, as it could mean a specific room, a full house, or even a wide open space. Also, could you define how the "prevent them from moving within, through, or exiting the target area" part works? Does it decrease their roll under number for agility? Do they need to beat a contested roll in agility?

For Fire Storm, rank damage as in the previously stated "how much damage a normal attack does at X rank strength" chart?