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Author Topic: Large creatures should be able to "stand/walk" in liquids with 7/7 depth  (Read 1207 times)

Mr Crabman

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Until true multi-tile creatures come in however many years, it won't be possible really for the vision of "giant beast wading through a lake" to come true, but a milder simulation of it could be done now I think.

Depending on size, creatures may be able to comfortably walk/stand in water (or magma, if magma-proof) that is deeper than 3/7 (what dwarves can walk in), maybe humans could do 4/7 for instance, and an ettin or giant should certainly be able to stand in 7/7 water, and depending on their size should have their walking speed affected differently by needing to wade though it. This would only work of course if it's actually only that deep; even if it's only 1/7, if there's another full tile of liquid below (thus technically making it 8/7), the limitations of creatures being in only one tile probably demand that they be forced to swim at this point.

Also, they will still obviously drown even in 7/7 liquid if there is a solid construction/drawbridge or whatever directly above leaving no air over the tile (should still be possible for them to walk/crawl instead of swimming through).

For the sake of not breaking large aquatic creatures, it should probably still be possible for them to breathe in/swim in the same water they can now. Or maybe just bite that bullet and go ahead and make really big aquatic creatures unable to survive in 1 tile deep water with air above, since that change will have to come eventually when they are multi-tile anyway?

Bjorn

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+1 This would increase immersion.
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Orange-of-Cthulhu

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Note that this would increase the chance of small creatures like babies and cats randomly drowning in puddles of water, if 2/7 is too deep for them. Which I think would be a good thing for the game.
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+1 This would increase immersion.
...ISWYDT (even if, technically, it does the reverse ;) )


Serious answer: needs to properly take account of buoyancy.

Then you can:
...enable walking of along any bottom[1] for any creature able to survive the liquid and being able to respire/not needing to/not having to for long enough. That applies if the creature is dense enough (bronze colossi?) to actually sink, and then be strong enough to make progress through the liquid/against any theoretical current.
...allow swimming across any liquid that they can at least traverse safely take breaths out of, depending upon Swimming skill for how capable/willing/competent they are to do so, for anything even marginally less dense such that they can poke their nose/mouth/trunk/spiracle(s) above the surface at need. Optionally submerge, if not too underdense, to temporarily path under floored-over sections or to take lower-Z through-ways, with the expectation of a receiving chamber within breath-range.
...for the very buoyant, swimming is impossible and 'surface-walking' (a peculiar skill, unrelated to swimming) is the only chance.

And the dimensions (and favoured attitude!) of the creature dictate when the lack of buoyancy means that the motion is by bottom-walking even while not at all fully submerged in a given depth, which results in traversal by 'wading'.


Of course, this totally changes much of the existing gameplay physics one expects. Needs to take into account the weight of clothing/armour/baggage and items held and/or carried, as well as innate creature qualities and especiallg personal body style (floaty-fatty or sinky-skin-and-bony) when on the very edge of multiple modals. Expect more resistance than merely the necessarily calculated fluid-drag coefficient, but instead from the die-hard player-base who would appreciate it being an INIT-disablable aspect, if only for the complications it adds to the pathfinding algorithm... ;)


[1] Arbitrary depth, give or take cumulative pressure effects, so long as there are sufficient ramps/steps/climbable-Z-level-transitions to bring them back to the surface when they wish, with however many stacked 7/7 liquid-cells beneath the top one.
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