Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[None]

Yes, because science doesn't happen in a vacuum and we haven't eradicated cystic fibrosis, epilepsy, trisomy, genetic propensities for cancer, predispositions to addiction, haemophilia, near-sightedness, far-sightedness, or male-pattern baldness.

We can't have an illuminati's illuminati if we don't presently have an illuminati, and believe me, we don't have an illuminati. Trying to refute 'what is' with 'what if' is a fool's errand.

[hector13]

I agree with None. Humans make mistakes, even the ones at the top of their game. Sports wouldn’t be all that interesting of elite athletes always made the play. Businesses wouldn’t fail if the people involved were making the right decisions. All that malarkey.

Conspiracies are also much less likely to be kept secret the more people involved in them, and for an organization to run the world probably requires a number of people involved.

Tie them together, and any secret organization doesn’t remain secret for long, due to numbers l, incompetence, or hubris.

However, to your point, The OG illuminati were a progressive offshoot of the Freemasons, and discussing things like the rights of man and democracy in “secret” groups and spreading to the various monarchies around Europe doesn’t go down well with said monarchs, so it got stamped out right quick. A touch ironic that the name is now used to refer to shadowy authoritarians guiding the world toward a future for their own ends, don’t you think?

[Scoops Novel]

A touch ironic that the name is now used to refer to shadowy authoritarians guiding the world toward a future for their own ends, don’t you think?

If you're not denying that very concept of a shadow government, then you've got to accept there are indeed shadowy groups in play with some amount of power. And it makes no sense that they'd all be new.

Sidenote: None, I'm saying we NOW have the technology to really get into the gene editing, not previously.

I'll repeat myself: There's a difference between running the world and doing your best to run the "next" one.

[None]

Nevertheless; this is more interesting as a historical question. There have always been shadowy conspiracies trying to run the world,

Do me a solid, who are these shadowy conspiracies trying to run the world? Gimme some actual historical examples of global shadowy conspiracies.

And don't say illuminati, because they did not exist and still do not exist, so they're not a historical example.

[MrRoboto75]

is it the jews?

[Magmacube_tr]

is it the jews?

I have a Jewish acquintance. I can ask.

[Scoops Novel]

Nevertheless; this is more interesting as a historical question. There have always been shadowy conspiracies trying to run the world,

Do me a solid, who are these shadowy conspiracies trying to run the world? Gimme some actual historical examples of global shadowy conspiracies.

And don't say illuminati, because they did not exist and still do not exist, so they're not a historical example.

Oh, not global, but definitely on the level of empire. And I'd bet that yeah, somebody tried to do something global post the British empire. If you had high-level contacts in both parliament and the US congress at a certain point you were halfway there.

[EuchreJack]

A touch ironic that the name is now used to refer to shadowy authoritarians guiding the world toward a future for their own ends, don’t you think?

If you're not denying that very concept of a shadow government, then you've got to accept there are indeed shadowy groups in play with some amount of power. And it makes no sense that they'd all be new.

Sidenote: None, I'm saying we NOW have the technology to really get into the gene editing, not previously.

I'll repeat myself: There's a difference between running the world and doing your best to run the "next" one.

There are NO "shadowy groups" running the world. There's nothing "shadowy" about the powers that be. Most of it is fairly open these days, it's just hard to track a strand of info in the torrent of fact and fiction. Just follow the money.

It's the Fucking banks. It's ALWAYS been the Fucking banks.

[McTraveller]

the Fucking banks.

So that's how new banks get made!

[fqllve]

the Fucking banks.

So that's how new banks get made!

Well, yes. But the banks aren’t fucking eachother.

[MrRoboto75]

something something makin' a deposit

[Scoops Novel]

Banks don't themselves call the shots when it comes to all the very private meetings of their clients. They're... banks. And at this point, people want more then money. Honestly, if you understand the future you can't even be sure your money will be all that relevant.

[McTraveller]

What if... what if we are the bad guys?

/existentialcrisis

[EuchreJack]

What if... what if we are the bad guys?

/existentialcrisis

Oh you poor innocent.
I'm totally classified as "the bad guy"

[hector13]

What if... what if we are the bad guys?

/existentialcrisis

Relevant.

Banks don't themselves call the shots when it comes to all the very private meetings of their clients. They're... banks. And at this point, people want more then money. Honestly, if you understand the future you can't even be sure your money will be all that relevant.

How do you understand something that doesn’t exist? :p

Banks are able to figure out plenty by where the money comes from or goes. For example, Jeffrey Epstein’s victims are suing banks because they should have been able to tell he was up to no good by looking at the various transactions, and can (as well as should!) act accordingly.

The world is capitalist. Money makes it continue to rotate, and as such the pursuit of wealth won’t stop until capitalism does.