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[wierd]

I do believe division of labor was lamplit.

Assuming one is CAPABLE of doing ALL the work, or at least, is CAPABLE, of engaging a nearby society's specialists without joining that society, it would be possible to 100% manifest a true self without compromise.

Again, though, that is not a position most people would find themselves able to leverage.

Hence, the "informed decision."

[Duuvian]

What happens f they take your stuff though?

[EuchreJack]

What happens f they take your stuff though?

Then they are a True Government.

[wierd]

Collective security was ALSO lamplit.

The danger a society has to a lone individual cannot be overstated. Societies tend toward briggandry, when the members collectively agree it is in thier interest.

See also:

China V Uigur people
USGovt V Native American nations
Russia V Ukraine

The best defense a single individual has against a briggand society, is to go unnoticed.

I am rather curious why you keep bringing things up I specifically lamplit as being bad, as if they somehow negate what I said.

The third lamplit item, to avoid part three of this exchange, is collective resource availability.

A society is able to leverage the resources of a vast territory efficiently, where a single individual cannot. A society can thus have inexpensive access to a wealth of raw materials that the individual will not.  Again, this is one of the downsides of being stateless/entirely sovereign.  Most people would find the combination of the three lamplit items completely unworkable, which is why the informed decision is about which society BEST FITS, and then emigrate to that society.

[scriver]

Those are all societies vs societies though

[wierd]

There is a well known instance of illegal seizure of property in NY against an individual.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hess_triangle#:~:text=The%20Hess%20triangle%20is%20a,Seventh%20Avenue%20and%20Christopher%20Street.

Imminent domain against a single member of a society, or against an outside alien to that society (and no, you do not actually need a specific example, the shoe fits all those feet the same. But if you simply MUST have one, consider the illegal pretext used by the UK to pressgang american civilians in the 1700s.) Is simply a manifestation of that agreed interest, justifying the brigandry.

You have something the rest of the society wants.
They agree to take it from you.
They take it.

Again, the best defense is to go unnoticed; then the society does not know you have something it wants, and the brigandry never happens.

[Duuvian]

In Epictetus's Discourses he says something similar somewhere, that the best defense a single individual has against a brigand society, is to behave well in accordance with what he calls right principles. However I will admit his Stoicism is TOUGH and I cannot claim to not be mildly injured at some of his crotchety criticisms of his students.

You make many fine points on unfairness however, and by doing so there is the potential for you to influence society, as humbly as that may be. In isolation there may be less hope to rectify in the long term that which would cause your retreat.

EDIT: The exception would be the pandemic, that would seem to be a good time to isolate individually during to some degree if possible.

[Frumple]

Please expand. Society is a obstacle to enjoying, and realising, your maturity, and i'm wondering when it hasn't been.

Never. Not having it also an obstacle to whatever it is you think you're talking about. It's an unreachable goal through any means and always has been. Contentment comes when you have sufficient security for your tastes and realize the maturity game is and always was horseshit (except even less useful, as you can at least burn horseshit for fuel :V).

[EuchreJack]

Ahem, perhaps my discourse on What It Means to Be a Man has value.

A Man is self-defined.  If you need someone else to tell you that you are a Man, then you are a Boy.
It is only when you can defiantly stop seeking Society's approval that you transcend from Boy to Man.

Richard Kipling's If poem sums it up well.
The age of the poem, and its relevance today, speaks volumes.

[Scoops Novel]

Nature is nature is nature, Self is the self is the self. It has to be realized. And you're not always lucky enough for that to be automatic, though it *should* be automatic. That's why i'm going on about circumstances.

Really being a fucking man is something that you can and could figure out how to do. I consider myself some level of quasi-man, to be honest.

[MrRoboto75]

a fucking man?

[Frumple]

Truly even the ground may be fornicated, given sufficient care. You can and people could indeed figure out how to bang as a man. Also as a woman and as any other survivable configurations or inclinations, for that matter. Tool users est!

They can even choose not to, and in doing so fuck even fucking itself! Plato would be proud. Fornication is both action and inaction, a state of being and of mind. A fucking man, indeed. Perhaps they're even on fire.

...

i discarded a donated book once because of that fetish. also due to everything else about it, but the graphic pyrophilia definitely tilted the scales a bit

[hector13]

When was the last time you could have a real Manhood?

There's a childish joke here somewhere but I can't find it. Argh.

“The last time I looked down mate.”

I have ignored everything between MtF’s post and this one.

Except the pyrophilia. That sounds… unwise. Something you could probably only do once, depending on the manifestation.

There’s also a character in a Tartan noir novel I’ve read a few times who, now knowing this appears to be a thing, is a pyrophiliac.

[George_Chickens]

We live in a society.
Bottom text.

[King Zultan]

pyrophilia

So is that about fucking while on fire or fucking things that are on fire?