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[Vector]

noooo don't come after my boy starver like this for a harmless communicative idiosyncrasy

I feel it's common among computer programmers, my ex also did that in his personal emails :V

[Amaranth]

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Bans do happen here without reason and the ban list is bigger than what is presented, more people have been banned than that is listed.
The ban list is more a Hall of infamy
Truth and opinions here are not respected despite the latter being a rule.
You will get banned if enough people are annoyed at you and this certainly extends to a singular comment.

[Uthimienure]

noooo don't come after my boy starver like this for a harmless communicative idiosyncrasy

I feel it's common among computer programmers, my ex also did that in his personal emails :V

If Starver's long, footnoted posts bother you, simply don't read them.
Unless, that is, you're Alex.

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(edit: I read them because it keeps my mind sharp in addition to hearing what Starver has to say.)

[IamanElfCollaborator]

To toss in my two cents as a dude who rarely ventures out of FGRP except to lurk on the upper boards to see what good DF mods have been cooked up, we really don't need unbanning. Like some of our more experienced colleagues here have said, it's damn hard to be banned on Bay to begin with; we're a mature lot and I wouldn't have hung around so long if this was a more drama-filled forum.

If we started unbanning, even for people like GWG who DIDN'T get banned for racism or incessant trolling, we'd end up with more drama than it's worth. It's already hard to tick off Toady as it is, just leave the system be. It clearly works.

*retreats back to FGRP*

[AzyWng]

Nitpick, but calling a permaban a "Death Penalty" is a false equivalence that seems like it was something put in the thread's title for shock value.

To state the obvious: Banning someone from a forum on the internet is not the same as executing them. Comparing banning to execution makes a ban sound like a far more serious action than it actually is. Making actions sound more serious than they actually are is unfair.

I'm not really active on the forums enough to say whether the people who were banned should be allowed to be brought back, mind, but I largely agree with the people saying no. There aren't very many people who have been banned. Allowing them to return may not actually have any effect considering many of these bans were several years ago. On top of that, allowing banned users to return may mean having to deal with the behavior that got them banned yet again.

Maybe this community has problems, but I don't believe allowing banned users to return is the solution.

Besides, Toady banned the users in question. It's ultimately Toady's decision as to whether "it's time [he gives] these guys another shot".

To repeat what another user said: If you feel strongly enough about this issue to create a post here, why not message Toady, instead?

[Vector]

If Starver's long, footnoted posts bother you, simply don't read them.
Unless, that is, you're Alex.

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(edit: I read them because it keeps my mind sharp in addition to hearing what Starver has to say.)

Oh! Sorry for the lack of clarity. It doesn't bother me, I think it's funny.

[Egan_BW]

I appreciate the footnotes. They're like little post lootboxes!

[MaxTheFox]

I also tend to overuse parentheses (in informal messages at least).

As for the topic itself, some people just don't deserve a second chance.

[scriver]

I appreciate the footnotes. They're like little post lootboxes!

You'd love Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrel by Susanna Clarke. There are pages where half the page is taken up by footnotes, as well as footnotes thst go on for pages

[SirAston]

All forums/boards are autocratic by design, so there's no such thing as an unjustified ban in the first place. The difference is how the userbase reacts to these bans, and their options are staying or leaving.
The userbase tends to stay when they overall feel that these bans were taken as a last measure. The userbase tends to leave when they feel that bans are used willy-nilly or for nefarious/selfish reasons (just because a ban can't be unjustifiable doesn't mean a ban can't be bad, since actions will usually lead to reactions).

The vast majority here seems to be in favor of staying because they trust, by experience or by proxy, that Toady does a good job overall about banning people, using it as a last resort when all other options have been exhausted.

Plus, as some people have pointed out, people can, in theory, always return with an alt, it doesn't require mental gymnastics to mask oneself. If they still behave like the same dungheads they were last time, people will pick up on that and the alt will receive a fast ban, but if they have truly changed, people will also pick up on that and users tend to accept an alt if they don't make a mess. So, in a way, even if they get the door slammed shut into their face, in a roundabout way, it's still the banned user's choice if they want to stay out and move on, or return (and hopefully be better from that point on). That doesn't really happen with a death penalty.

*returns to Forum Games*

[None]

I appreciate the footnotes. They're like little post lootboxes!

You'd love Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrel by Susanna Clarke. There are pages where half the page is taken up by footnotes, as well as footnotes thst go on for pages

Ooh oooh ooh or the, uh, Bartimaeus trilogy (?) I think it was, the one with some kid summoning a bored demon? Or House of Leaves, with literal actual pages of footnotes, some meaningful, some tangents, some long long lists of rooms without windows, etc.

[George_Chickens]

I think everyone in this thread should be Bay12 executed. Right now. In fact, why stop there? We should give the Bay12 Death Penalty to people outside of Bay12's jurisdiction.

Necro910

Actually, he was banned for joking about pedophilia with a user. The quote was something like "The little girl next door was winking at me wtf", and then "You're either a very lucky young boy or a very lucky pedophile. I wish you luck either way.". If it were just MAGMAAAAAAAAAAAAing, he surely would have been muted first.

[Cthulhu]

If we're doin' this now, I'm wantin' to subtweet everybody who types out colloquialisms.

Also people who still say "gorram."  I hated firefly even before all the joss whedon stuff came to life.  Every character he writes is the most annoying person in the universe.

[Il Palazzo]

#Cancel_Cthulhu

[Yoink]

I appreciate the footnotes. They're like little post lootboxes!

You'd love Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrel by Susanna Clarke. There are pages where half the page is taken up by footnotes, as well as footnotes thst go on for pages

Cosmic Banditos is a truly wonderful book, much recommended. Some of the footnotes even travel through time!