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EuchreJack

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Re: Will the future be more weird or strange?
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2021, 01:26:53 pm »

What if said surrogate is fully artificial, and is technology.

(also, the notion that it is always the man that is abusive, is some bullshit that needs flushed, just so you know. It's actually very close to even in both directions. women tend to be injured more seriously, but this could reasonably be explained by body plan morphology than by increased aggression. The near even statistic on overall violence suggests it is not aggression difference, but power difference in the body being piloted.)

Ahem, I would advise re-reading what I said.

As for gender bias in reporting of abuse in Western society, note that women in Western society are usually better capable of reporting and documenting abuse, as they are more socially adept.  The bias of women being victims and men being abusers in Western society is prevalent and tends to be a self-fulfilling prophecy/fallacy.  Gender stereotypes further push this bias.  Women who are aggressive are generally characterized as unwomanly, whereas men that are abused are generally characterized as unmasculine.

But note that abusers in general are more socially adept than victims of abuse, irregardless of gender.  Victim usually have some problems going into the relationship, as abusers are like predatory animals in that they pick off those who are already weak.  Except abusers then weaken their victims further.

...in a weird way, women abusing men is a form of gender equality.  Only if we've reached some sort of parity can this be possible.

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Re: Will the future be more weird or strange?
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2021, 02:21:50 pm »

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Other than that the future will become weirder and the weird will become more mundane. What frumple said basically.



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Unless the speed of light drops to 1000mph or something, or we start getting other localized spacetime anomalies, or people really start having superhero powers, I can't think of anything that would classify as weird or strange.

Afaik they tend to never measure the same value down to the last decimal point whenever they do measure the speed of light, and again >afaik<, at one point the got tired enough of it to prefer to make the meter dependant on the speed of light rather than the other way around. I do like the spirit though, make it just a little slower and sound would be faster than light, now that would be weird. On a more serious note our intellectual categories are being challenged regularely, is cloning, AI, eternal live, etc ethical? Or more down to earth: any debate around socially progressive changes. Sprinkle in some "any sufficiently advanced technology is basically undistinguishable from magic" and some cosmic horror à la "one day everything in the universe will have drifted so far a part that other galaxies will become basically imperceptible"... stratas of weird stacking on eachother leaving eastereggs to the future, how could it not get any weirder?


edit: man some perfect comedic timing on the first video I pick, I just burst out into laughing.

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fuck, it keeps getting better
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Re: Will the future be more weird or strange?
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2021, 05:44:52 pm »

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Re: Will the future be more weird or strange?
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2021, 11:32:11 pm »

The new technology that humanity will probably need to come to grips with, and that is unexpected and jarring, is AI sentience.  It is being worked on constantly, and there is big money in making AI smarter and more personal.  Since the only sentient beings are us Humans, we're in a perfect position to deny sentience to other beings.
I for one would completely accept AIs.

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My opinion of the future is somewhere around the midway point of optimism and pessimism. I don't think we're completely fucked... but the future isn't particularly bright. Not particularly weird either.
In a sense, I feel post-cyberpunk would be closer rather than the common pessimistic prediction of a cyberpunk dystopia.
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Re: Will the future be more weird or strange?
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2021, 03:44:52 am »

The answer is "yes, and weirder than you could possibly expect".

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Re: Will the future be more weird or strange?
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2021, 10:27:29 am »

probably plod chrimbum
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Re: Will the future be more weird or strange?
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2021, 08:19:47 am »

People can only handle so much  of either of these. I wonder when we'll decide to pull the brakes.

The 21st century as it is... is kind of a good game board.
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Re: Will the future be more weird or strange?
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2021, 09:49:49 am »

Haha, you assume there's brakes to pull, or that anyone would be able to find or pull them! No, no brakes until our species drives itself off an extinction cliff.
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Re: Will the future be more weird or strange?
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2021, 11:57:20 am »

My vote is for unrelenting horror.
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Re: Will the future be more weird or strange?
« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2021, 12:27:24 pm »

My vote is for unrelenting horror.
/makes note of personal preferences...
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Re: Will the future be more weird or strange?
« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2021, 02:10:19 pm »

A prediction of "the future" is something that needs to be associated with an identification; an identification like "I am Chinese", "I am Uyghur", "I am human", "I am short", "I prefer warm climates", "I am from this nation", "I am from this city", "I am from this planet", "I like animals", "I like distance from others", "I like machines". ...and I see the future like this...

A prediction of "weird or strange" in "the future" also needs to be associated with the ability of individuals (in that future) to distribute information and ideas with others not in their immediate stratification. Because, "weird or strange" only exists where conformity and stratification already exist, and without the distribution of information and ideas with other groups, you cannot have "weird or strange".

Once you have chosen your identifications and your perception of how freely information and ideas can be distributed in this future, you can estimate how weird or strange the future will be.

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I think the above needs work but that that you really need to choose "identifications" and to estimate "the ability to transmit and receive information and ideas", before you can measure "weird or strange"...

Look at China... the state is pushing to conform the people to all be "Chinese" and "from China" and "Chinese, Chinese, Chinese...". They do this by monitoring and disrupting the transmission and receipt of information and ideas (as well destroying the information carried in human minds). They are attempting to remove all ideological forms of "weird or strange" from their sphere of influence. And, not that the state of China is the only group that has done, is doing, or will do this...
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Re: Will the future be more weird or strange?
« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2021, 03:52:16 am »

It'll continue to be weirder to us people in the past and it'll continue to be disappointingly mundane to people in its present and charmingly quaint to people in its future.

I mean, take our comparison with the 90s for example. We failed to meet a lot of that time period's hopes and dreams, and we haven't solved world hunger or sold consumer hoverboards. And yet it's now considered the norm for your average teenager to have semi-omniscience on popular topics and ofr them to access a vast library which is 90% lies from a handheld personal computer. And our future generations will probably question what the fuck we were doing with our handling of COVID-19.
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Re: Will the future be more weird or strange?
« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2021, 04:10:40 am »

Not sure why I accidentally ended up being negative there but I just ment that we're vastly more knowledgeable than our predecessors and thus basically succeeded at the whole transhumanist idea of mind augmentation without even needing to dip into cybernetics, but we also caused a lot of new prblems people in the past didn't even think of.
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Re: Will the future be more weird or strange?
« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2021, 04:11:19 am »

The future won't be the same as the present because time causes things to change. We know this, because the past was apparently not the same as the present. We can't be sure that time really exists or that it does what we think it does, but it seems fairly likely.

There is a lot of future, and it will be very different from itself. Probably. Assuming the universe actually gets that far. Judging from the past, things will start out fairly similar to how things are now, and then gradually become more and more impossible to predict from this standpoint. However, we can make some reasonably likely predictions.

Everybody here will cease to be an organism, and become an organism's corpse. Quite soon really, on the timescale of the universe, but don't worry I'm sure you'll get to do plenty of nice things before then. Then our species of organisms will stop being the species it is, through either extinction or mutation. Quite soon everything we've made will stop being the things we made and start being other things, such as dust or rocks. All of the rocks which are around right now will remain for a long time, but will also eventually stop being rocks. The plates of the earth will shift around and make new cool-looking continents which we won't get to see. Eventually, this planet will stop being this planet and start being part of the sun. Then the sun will stop being a star, as will all the stars.
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Re: Will the future be more weird or strange?
« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2021, 04:25:14 am »

So yeah, the future will basically always be "business as usual".
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