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TolyK

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Re: Oh jeez, Quicktopic is shutting down
« Reply #75 on: December 10, 2021, 02:50:46 pm »

I definitely agree it should be done by hand as well, precisely because there can be missed links. However, I'm making sure we definitely get at least the links that appear in the threads themselves. I've saved what URL each thread came HTML page came from.

I found 716 quicktopic pages and saved them locally. They're missing styling elements, logos and such.

I'm also submitting them all to archive.org (using a modified version of the script, because the original script completely died when something failed).
If you can upload a .txt of all URLs you've worked through (not sure if you've all been keeping track) I can re-run the script several times, hours apart, to try to snapshot all of them.
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Re: Oh jeez, Quicktopic is shutting down
« Reply #76 on: December 10, 2021, 03:39:18 pm »

I'm confused? Any Url that I have saved in my files has already been manually archived by myself. Why would you need it?



Anyway, while I'm here, here are some more games that are likely to be lost forever:

Scum chat of Vengeful Mafia 9: DAY 2: SCUM stumbles (4/5)

Possible dead chat (may not have one) of Confusion Mafia | Day 3: Good luck.



These are not high priority btw. The highest Priority are the missing quicktopics in Webadict's games that I compiled in my last report. Since his games were popular and beloved by many, I want to save them. I'm worried that Web might not be able to help this time, but some of the other players might know something.

Also, I skipped ahead and archived all three of Vector's games. They are quite the gems and I want to make sure they aren't lost. I'm not sure if they still plan on helping us today.

EDIT: Well Hot Damn Web! If this was Reddit I'd give you a gold. I'll get to saving those now.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2021, 03:44:20 pm by heydude6 »
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Re: Oh jeez, Quicktopic is shutting down
« Reply #77 on: December 10, 2021, 03:42:23 pm »

I know Webadict just mentioned his technical issues, but unfortunately there are many missing chats that only he has access to that I'd like to get ahold of. Even if Webadict could only provide a few, I'd be incredibly grateful for that. Due to the amount of games he's involved in, it would leave quite a big hole if we let the quicktopics disappear.


Since I probably won't be able to make a big request like this at the end of Friday, I'll need to think of a way to ask for missing quicktopic links in a timely matter. I can probably just post requests in the thread/PM as they come up, but I think it is necessary to be a bit proactive with Webadict's games. So I skimmed through the rest of them to see if I found any issues
Spoiler: Proactive Webadict (click to show/hide)
There were only two thankfully.

Anyway, this was a lot to put onto one person and I feel incredibly bad about doing it, but it needed to be said for the sake of our archival efforts. Every bit helps



Here is some stuff that is probably lost forever.

The Dead chat of Hangman - Game Over - Is it hanged or hung? Mafia win! assuming it has one

Anything to with Bay 12 Mafia - Night Three - Low Resolution - 2 replacements needed. Gm is absent and topic is locked. No lead on who could be scum. It wasn't a notable game, but it was a big one. A shame

Don't know what to do about BYOR: Choices.

I have a little bit of hope for this one, BYOT mafia: Night 2 - 13/19 alive - Delicious A lot of the players here are still around. One might be former scum and could provide a scum topic

A notable game as well unfortunately Not-So-Beginner Mafia: Panda Edition [Day 2, 7/9]

On a final note, I had a lot of fun with this and I hope everyone else did, too. Lastly, this link to the Google Doc I used for this game has all the PMs and day flavor unless I cocked up making it accessible:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ap5KzVfSPGdSdGVsRXZSMklEZnQ1R3hqU3k4ZFBZM2c&hl=en&authkey=CLSZzvcM

Yes you did Panda. It may have been accessible in the past, but it isn't anymore.

Better to let your game die than let the thread be locked forever.

Yes indeed Toaster. Yes indeed.



Good night everyone. See you in the morning.
Aztec Mafia
Spaniard Chat: https://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/qP2FirKULCpk

BYOR 3
Mafiachat: http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/x5hreYLv9tecJ

Vote Mafia: Special Edition
Mafiachat: http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/DpVbtr84Nq5n

Vote Mafia 6
Mafiachat: http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/NKzuRz32cUWy

Third Party 2 did not have any communication outside of the thread, I believe, as no cultchat exists that I found.

Vengeful Mafia 4
Mafiachat: https://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/yVhZ5VY8HpB

Beginner's Mafia XXI
Mafiachat: http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/Spqy5x6DzSdn

BYOR 6.3
Masonchat: http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/iZmPZePZ3PHP
Deadchat: http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/aEvDTjaAb57h

TP3 did NOT have a Serial Killer and SK-Ally Quicktopic, as far as my research has shown.

SBYOR
Mafiachat: http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/peiiKURvfQY9

KWN: Webadict Edition
Webchat: https://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/63qzSDyRdqua
Deadchat: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/KTTWA499pE2
There was no Cultchat.

Vote Mafia 8
Mafiachat: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/YsycsqTS4iMC

LOST FOREVER BUT SAVED BY AWESOMENESS
BYOR:Choices
Mafiachat: http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/FMseS6C8u7p9s

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Re: Oh jeez, Quicktopic is shutting down
« Reply #78 on: December 10, 2021, 03:47:01 pm »

I've archived all TolyK games and the URLs that Webadict just posted (both directly and through archive.org).
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Re: Oh jeez, Quicktopic is shutting down
« Reply #79 on: December 10, 2021, 04:15:47 pm »

Hey Tolyk, I have to overcome my natural shyness and ask another dumb question. Last time you archived something and posted the results for us to see, you gave us:

I get a 403 forbidden for all QuickTopic URLs. Maybe because I'm in Eastern Europe?

I can't even access my own created QuickTopic chats. :/



KYOSN on WayBack:

Dead Chat

Mafia Chat

Cult Chat

Shakerag Chat

Observer Chat

Mason Chat

Which wasn't very useful since you'd only be able to see the front page. You didn't do it our way because of this bug:

The "print" trick shows this:

Code: [Select]
Hrm.

The Wayback Machine has not archived that URL.

At the time, we didn't know that quicktopic will sometimes have a lag between archiving a post and making it viewable so we couldn't explain what went wrong. Now we know the cause of your issue. The "print trick"  works, it's just that sometimes you have to wait a bit, but that time is thankfully able to be spent archiving other threads.

Have you been archiving your pages using the print trick since then? Sorry for the dumb question, I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page before leaving the stuff webadict posted in your hands.
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Re: Oh jeez, Quicktopic is shutting down
« Reply #80 on: December 10, 2021, 04:20:32 pm »

Yes, I'm using the print trick, and I checked the outputs to be sure it was successful. It works when I use a VPN to a US IP address, but not from where I'm here in Europe without the VPN.

Also, not a dumb question, it's a legit concern.
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Re: Oh jeez, Quicktopic is shutting down
« Reply #81 on: December 10, 2021, 04:43:40 pm »

Bay 12 Mafia quickchats:
https://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/sKNHrJmuKf7
https://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/yEjqrpmaNc2G

Hangman Mafia chat:
https://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/NgZJA4dw9Kb
e: I don't think this had a deadchat looking at my topics and PMs.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2021, 04:46:49 pm by Leafsnail »
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Re: Oh jeez, Quicktopic is shutting down
« Reply #82 on: December 10, 2021, 05:26:43 pm »

Holy shit Leafsnail! I wasn't expecting you to appear again out of the blue! Would you be interested in joining our cause?

I don't know if you have the time to directly archive a page, but I made an earlier report that listed some other "Lost forever games"

*snip*

It's very long, I wouldn't bother reading it, I just wonder if you can help with any of the following:

Dead chat of Weirdo mafia 2
Dead chat of Vector's Bastard Mafia Game if it exists



Anyway, I just wanted to point out that the quick topics you posted are for the original Bay12 mafia that's in the notable games thread. That one was archived succesfully. The one you see in the report is actually the ill-fated sequel. It may seem weird to try to recover the chats of dead games, but we're trying to save as much as we can.
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Re: Oh jeez, Quicktopic is shutting down
« Reply #83 on: December 10, 2021, 05:42:13 pm »

I don't have the Vector's Bastard Mafia Game deadchat. I have these two chats:

https://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/7SUPQFjxGC2s
https://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/rYtxU5qTFCaPw

IIRC Neruz was b& a while back so we can't ask him directly.
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Re: Oh jeez, Quicktopic is shutting down
« Reply #84 on: December 10, 2021, 05:47:47 pm »

Dead chat of Weirdo mafia 2

Try PMing JoshFH directly, he's active on the forum...
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Re: Oh jeez, Quicktopic is shutting down
« Reply #85 on: December 10, 2021, 05:51:23 pm »

I did. He didn't reply.
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Re: Oh jeez, Quicktopic is shutting down
« Reply #86 on: December 10, 2021, 05:52:58 pm »

Dang, too bad.

I don't really have the tech knowhow to save and host chats tbh and I am Tired. Where are we at this point with the project? Do we have the whole Notable Games Archive?
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Re: Oh jeez, Quicktopic is shutting down
« Reply #87 on: December 10, 2021, 06:09:31 pm »

Here is my updated list of the notable game archive checklist

This is the Notable Games Archive, where we keep all of Bay12's best rounds of Mafia.  The rounds that, due to some high-quality aspect, deserve to be remembered.  Since the forum is pretty old, there's a lot of great games here.  If you're a newbie, you should probably start with the Vanilla games, though everything else is awesome, too.

If you've just finished playing, reading, or running a particularly excellent game, come to this thread and nominate it!  This is the place to squawk about it for future generations of mafia players.


Spoiler: Classic setups (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Bring Your Own Role (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Crazy closed setups (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Bastard Mods (click to show/hide)

We've got most of them.

The tech know-how for archival is actually pretty simple. Let me give you an explanation in a double post.
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Re: Oh jeez, Quicktopic is shutting down
« Reply #88 on: December 10, 2021, 06:29:23 pm »

I think I got the Bay 12 Mafia sequel quicktopics from Leafsnail:

Mafia chat
https://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/kq5T24LuqAH
Dead chat
https://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/SsKbVu5BUi3q
Spoil spec
https://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/sUAtuVPG9jQ
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Re: Oh jeez, Quicktopic is shutting down
« Reply #89 on: December 10, 2021, 06:32:43 pm »

How to archive a thread


Step 1: Find the quicktopics.

Depending on the mod, this can be either very easy or somewhat annoying. Ideally the GM will post it all in a single post-game post, otherwise you might have to rely on the posts of other players to make up for the Mod's negligence. Making sure you find everything is more of an art than a science, but a few quick tips:

-Read the role list to figure out which factions are in play. Look for scum and dead chats, and cults and masons if applicable.
-Be wary of Bastard and role madness games because the tells for something like the existence of a mason group can be surprisingly subtle.
-Not every game has a dead chat

If you believe a certain chat exists, but a link is nowhere to be found, don't torture yourself. Write down the issue somewhere and crowdsource the problem to us

Step 2: Expand the quicktopic so that the all of the information is on a single page.
(You can skip this step if the quicktopic has 15 messages or less)

Normally QT only displays 15 messages at a time. That won't work for archival purposes. Here's how you fix that:

Switch the quicktopic page to "all messages" mode and then click the "print" button in the bottom left corner. You will then be taken to a new page. Click the big shiny "Show printable page" in the middle. You will be taken to a quicktopic page that looks very similar to the original expanded quicktopic, but it has a new URL.

Step 3: Go to Wayback machine and save it

Click this link

You will see a blank input box begging to be filled with something. Copy and paste the URL you got from Step 2 and click the "Save Page" button. You may get an error, but in that case you just try again. Eventually it will work.

When this happens you will be given a new link. It is a necessity that you save this somewhere, like in a word file. It will be difficult for you to find it again if you lose it. I recommend making a checklist actually

This link is the final archived link. If you click it, you will see a page like the orignal QT, but saved from the shutdown. Sometimes you will be taken to an error screen that says URL not found, but ignore it. Sometimes the Wayback machine takes some time to make the pages publicly visible. In a few minutes it will start working.

Make sure you view the page at some point to make sure nothing went wrong, like archiving the wrong chat (it's a mistake I made a few times).



And that's it. Not very hard. If anyone feels inspired by this tutorial, they should post in the thread and publicly claim pages 10, 9, or 8 and help us get this done before the deadline. It only takes around 2 hours to archive a single page's worth of threads, but it's for a good cause. If I do everything on my own, these are the pages that will almost certainly be left behind due to a lack of time. Even if you do just one, it makes a difference.

Ninajed

Thanks for the links Toony.

EDIT: They have now been archived
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